What has happened to the Sunday and Thursday events we used to look forward to???

All we have now is the ETCC event which all or most of the Admin energy appears to go into.

Now, I am not kicking this event as it has brought quite a few guys into a great friendly community, and this is fantastic. But what about the majority of drivers, those like myself who haven't got the staying power to do these long events or do not have the commitment for all of the practice that is being done? There is nothing.

Just 4 months ago I asked the Admin if they could put a server on for other cars when the 911 event is on as we don't all like to drive these cars and we were told by Jowi: "It's not because of the car but it's a matter of tradition why these cars on these tracks at those sundays is THE event on the (altbier)bude.
I think thats's the way to look at it" and B8man chipped in with "Sorry, the holy sunday is 911 sunday. As Jowi mentioned the Supercup is the untouchable mother of the events and wont take place with other cars." and also "No. Definitely not!" and this eneded up with B8man not answering any more issues on this thread or even PM's from me.

When I first started on the Bude three and a half years ago we had events every Sunday and Thursday and these were always very well attended, now we don't have them... I thought these events were more UNTOUCHABLE & HOLY than even the 911 event!!!!!!!

Furthermore, when events like the ETCC have been asked for by the members of the Bude in the past the Admin hacve always told us that this is a fun server and NOT a place for this type of event as is against the Bude philosophy.

Even the Rookie Club is threatened because the Admin appear not to have the time to organise one night anymore.

So to sum up: The Bude policy has changed because they want it to change when it suits them and not us. Why bother having a forum? Why don't the Admin just say this is what we are offering now because that is all we can be bothered to do? Like it and lump it!

I would also like to add that the recent admin seem very opinionated and unfriendly to anything that they don't want regardless of what is said by the members. This is not the friendly server I used to know and love.

While I know the Admin generally do a good job, they must open there eyes to the unrest and double standards that they are displaying.

I still want (and so do others) a server on Sundays for other cars when the 911's race... this would take minimal organising.

I still want (and so do others) events on Thursday's and Sunday's each week like we used to have.

I still donate to the Bude hoping it will go back to being the friendly server it promotes itself as and not the dictatorship it is becoming.

To the Admin, please read and consume what I have said fully before answering, as your comments in the past have only made what I have said stronger and have shown the Bude up in a bad light.

Cheers,

Gee-Deeman

I posted this thread earlier today but it dissapeared off the main page very quickly and as I think it raises some importatnt questions I have revived it again... please read on...


What has happened to the Sunday and Thursday events we used to look forward to???

All we have now is the ETCC event which all or most of the Admin energy appears to go into.

Now, I am not kicking this event as it has brought quite a few guys into a great friendly community, and this is fantastic. But what about the majority of drivers, those like myself who haven't got the staying power to do these long events or do not have the commitment for all of the practice that is being done? There is nothing.

Just 4 months ago I asked the Admin if they could put a server on for other cars when the 911 event is on as we don't all like to drive these cars and we were told by Jowi: "It's not because of the car but it's a matter of tradition why these cars on these tracks at those sundays is THE event on the (altbier)bude.
I think thats's the way to look at it" and B8man chipped in with "Sorry, the holy sunday is 911 sunday. As Jowi mentioned the Supercup is the untouchable mother of the events and wont take place with other cars." and also "No. Definitely not!" and this eneded up with B8man not answering any more issues on this thread or even PM's from me.

When I first started on the Bude three and a half years ago we had events every Sunday and Thursday and these were always very well attended, now we don't have them... I thought these events were more UNTOUCHABLE & HOLY than even the 911 event!!!!!!!

Furthermore, when events like the ETCC have been asked for by the members of the Bude in the past the Admin hacve always told us that this is a fun server and NOT a place for this type of event as is against the Bude philosophy.

Even the Rookie Club is threatened because the Admin appear not to have the time to organise one night anymore.

So to sum up: The Bude policy has changed because they want it to change when it suits them and not us. Why bother having a forum? Why don't the Admin just say this is what we are offering now because that is all we can be bothered to do? Like it and lump it!

I would also like to add that the recent admin seem very opinionated and unfriendly to anything that they don't want regardless of what is said by the members. This is not the friendly server I used to know and love.

While I know the Admin generally do a good job, they must open there eyes to the unrest and double standards that they are displaying.

I still want (and so do others) a server on Sundays for other cars when the 911's race... this would take minimal organising.

I still want (and so do others) events on Thursday's and Sunday's each week like we used to have.

I still donate to the Bude hoping it will go back to being the friendly server it promotes itself as and not the dictatorship it is becoming.

To the Admin, please read and consume what I have said fully before answering, as your comments in the past have only made what I have said stronger and have shown the Bude up in a bad light.

Cheers,

Gee-Deeman

If you or any other user wants to create an event. Feel free to do so.
All you need is:

- the track (and if it is suitable for an event)
- the car(s)
- tire and fuel consumption
- the poster (for a template contact gtlevent[at]bierbuden.de)
- the date (contact gtlevent[at]bierbuden.de)

Cheers
B8'

B8man wrote:
If you or any other user wants to create an event. Feel free to do so.
All you need is:

- the track (and if it is suitable for an event)
- the car(s)
- tire and fuel consumption
- the poster (for a template contact gtlevent[at]altbierbude.de)
- the date (contact gtlevent[at]altbierbude.de)

Cheers
B8'

This is just the sort of one sided comment I have come to expect from this Admin.

Can you guys ever answer a legitimate question or criticism without answering it improperly??

Once again you are showing the Bude up to be an unfriendly server.

I am not Admin and you are so please give a reasonable and justified answer and once again I implore you to think before you write!!!

We are grown ups here not CHILDREN!

why dont you figure one out mate.

We are grown ups here not CHILDREN!

Absolutely right. So stop acting like a child.

I do not see and have not meant anything unfriendly in my post. If you have a good idea for an event fix it and it will take place!

I think the Admins do a very good job, really.

They asked the members more than once to be supported in arranging the events. Because it is a lot of work. You have to test a track, look for the fuel and tire "consuption", make the poster and so on.
If you have to make it one time, it is ok, but if you have to do it every week twice it is a lot. And all these guys have a job and a family too.

To donate is a good thing, without that the Bude would not survive. That is the reason i do it too.
But you cant buy freetime so for me it is totally clear that the impulse to arrange all these events is little without getting support from the community. And i am not speaking about financial support.

So from my point of view B8mans appeal is completely comprehensible, i cant see the unfriendly part in it too.

Just my 2cent.

Cheers
Christian

B8man wrote:
We are grown ups here not CHILDREN!

Absolutely right. So stop acting like a child.

I do not see and have not meant anything unfriendly in my post. If you have a good idea for an event fix it and it will take place!

Again this is the type of answer that you use when you are crtiticised, you poke fun and try to belittle people. This is not friendly or wanted by any of us!!!

Is there any chance that you can actually answer my questions?? Simply saying that I could organise an event if I want to is only a small part of the thread.

Why are there no more Thursday and Sunday events??

Why is it OK now to run Comepetition events (ETCC) when it goes against the Bude Philosophy??

Why can you do this when we can't even have one server of different cars when the 911 event is on?

Why have we got this hypocrisy??

Why can't we have proper answers??

Is this a privately run server now??

Do we not have the right to question what you do at all??

You are Admin and should be able to answer in a proper and respectful manner!!

Hi Cooky,

You were writing this as I was writing my last answer so I didn't see this until after mine was posted.

Thank you for your most enlightening answer and done in an adult way.

Had B8man taken just a little time to explain things instead of goading people then I would not have gotten my underpants in such a twist!

All I wanted was a reasonable answer, why couldn't he have said this.

It's very very awkward for us non German guys to know what is going on as the Translators often give a garbled or twisted version. I had no idea about help being needed.

Cheers m8.

Gee

I think, another fact is, that B8man had planned most events, also the complete ETCC. And me for example was busy with other stuff and did not complete the program with some events for non-cup-friends.

But for future, there will be more stuff in 4Fun-direction....till January

Thank you Ron,

It's good to get proper answers once again.

Being spoken to as an adult makes such a difference and doesn't make you want to get fired up even more.

Cheers,

Gee

Why are there no more Thursday and Sunday events??
What is this:

or that:

or...

Why is it OK now to run Comepetition events (ETCC) when it goes against the Bude Philosophy??
1. Ride fair and wait for the right moment to overtake, you will not win the race at first corner.
2. If it happens that you kick another player from the track that isn’t a big issue as long as you say “sorry”, wait for him to return to the track, let him overtake and try again to overtake a few corners later.
3. Finish your race.

I find not one point which the ETCC is against?

Why can you do this when we can't even have one server of different cars when the 911 event is on?
Yes you're right, at this topic I wont answer.

Why can't we have proper answers??
If you stop reading between the lines you find the proper ones.

Is this a privately run server now??
Altbierbude is a small private gameserver for the game GT Legends

Sorry, but I cannot answer every post as I did here and I repeat:
If anyone wants to take part in creating events. You're welcome.

Cheers

B8man

Give proper answers in future B8 and save all the reading between lines.

I still find some of your answers incomplete though and unfair without proper explanation.

I always gave my children fair and proper answers and as an adult I expect the same from another adult!

Gee

Hiho, Gnabend^^

At first...
For me as a "not-permanently" but "continuous" Driver (at least say "Budenuser"^^), i have to say GeeDee is right!
For me it felt the last month(s? plural) that there is much concentration on ETCC (You have to sign up, be in the Team etc...for me it seems that the ETCC Drivers are kind of a VIP-Community in the ABB-Community)) and everything else is a bit put on stand-by.
Ok, Supercup is running, whilst its the "Mother" of Events.

Maybe it is possible to make some "easy-to-handle-Events" for Thursday and Sunday.
Without (like Cooky said) a Poster....Noone needs a Poster...Maybe just a fix Position on top of the Homepage which says "Sunday: Hockenheim GP - TC 65"...something like that...
I understand very well that Admins on ABB make this job in their freetime, and noone should complain about a "bad-service" because they do it as a Hobby.

So, maybe theres an easy way to make an Event (without Poster and so on) just set it up and let them drive^^ (I dont really know how much work this is! As I said, maybe heres an easy way to do it)

I hope my two cents are not misunderstood^^ My english is getting a bit rusty (prrrrbt...prrbtpppprprpr.....prrrooooouuufffffff)

Hello Gents,
sorry but i cannot understand the question about the Events at thursday or sunday evening.
Every week are events at this time!
The race calendar is full of good events.
Only se are not filled with an event, but the Admins AND THE USER work on to fill this little holes with interresting events.
Also i have to say that the ETCC is not a "VIP" club.
It´y only a handfull of drivers wich like to race more than 75 minutes and wich race for a Team. There is only Teamspirit!
Everyone can join theese races at every date as a guest starter. So no VIP!

The Admins have family like the most of the user here, and sometimes there is not much free time to handle all the stuff here. So feel free to help the Bude with create interessting Events.
I´m only a USER but i help as often as i can!And i will do so in future!
I hope that my words sounds not angry because i only want to give some information to you!

Have fun on the Servers and race together gents!
Sorry for my bad english!

cheers.
kart1803

If you count the amount of ETCC events and Rookie events you will certainly see that anyone involved with these races are being catered for. Now look at what other events have been this year and you will see that it is extremely small.

What I am trying to point out with this thread is that the great majority of drivers are not being catered for and that the ETCC event is a competition which actually goes against the Budes philosophy no matter how B8man likes to see it. THe majority have been eventless for the sake of the ETCC which dominates a server and a TS channel and takes a lot of Admin to do.

If it is possible for B8man to do events like this then surely he could put 1 server on for non 911 drivers when that event is on, and B8man refuses to discuss this issue further for what actual reasons he will not say!!! It's a case of do what he says and we can't have what we ask for.

There are double standards at issue here, so this is not just about how much work the Admin put in.

I know that the Admin do great work put why should we put up with hypocrisy on a server that is supposed to be friendly and democratic.

Events are extremely easy to organise if you do not have pit stops… do we really need to have them? Of course not. This takes away all the problems of someone having to work out fuel strategy which is the most time taking part.

I suggest we have more sprint races. These are shorter races and say around 20 laps of an ordinary size track, no pits stop unless you need repairs.

A sports car race (GTC-65 cars) at Cadwell or Goodwood or Watkins Glenn or wherever you like.

All the Admin has to do is make a very simple poster with no pictures just wording stating car class(s), Track, Day, Times for Practice & Quali & race.

The server just needs to be programmed with the car classes and track(s) the allotted time for practice and quail and the amount of laps to be raced. Probably 10 minutes work to do that compared to the hours that must be spent on ETCC events.

Life could be simpler and happier with a bit more thought for each other instead of the amount of arguing we have to do to get something sooo easy to do.

Gee

I love participating in any kind of event unless I have the time for it

Honestly, I didn´t recognize that there are so few events....I feel that there´s always something on...or am I wrong? especially users like KART1803 immediately react (on the same day) when somebody´s forgotten to "publish" an event.


Ok. ETCC is something that plays a major role here, because it is definetely a SERIES with many drivers in quite a number of teams These teams, however, are free to join at any time - no matter who you are! I didn´t know anyone - I just wrote a mail and the dangerous female rookie threat was in...he he.

What about the 1000km race? (the same - join and that´s it)

I don´t miss anything. The "Rookie-races" aren´t really races for rookies only- they are also open for us all. Everytime I look at the posters I see different tracks and cars - and why don´t you like pits???

I watch real races on a regular basis (a friend of mine is a race driver) and I´m fascinated by it. And its definetely "authenticity" what captures me mostly here in the Bude. Ok, there could also be quick races without stops with the "label event on it" but isn´t this the same we usually do in the 24h trainings every day on all servers?

You can´t eat your cake and have it too! I think that the admins here do a really good "voluntary" job! But you know the people here longer than me, so what I can see is only the tip of the iceberg. AT least I´m happy! Hope you get your problem solved as soon as possible!

@ Gordon: you have always one hour more time in the evenings....in Germany, we´re ahead and tired.

Yours truly
Sabrina

Geedee schrieb:

What I am trying to point out with this thread is that the great majority of drivers are not being catered for and that the ETCC event is a competition which actually goes against the Budes philosophy no matter how B8man likes to see it.

In that point i disagree completely. I drove as much ETCC events as possible and the racing together is on highest priority in ETCC. Sometimes drivers out of different teams push some others to pits when the fuel is out.
All the drivers are very careful. There is no overall driver ranking because it is a team focused event-series. Of course all the drivers do their best but that is the same in 4fun events.

@ Sabrina,

Yes there are events that you can participate in such as the ETCC which are 2hour races. I don't have the stamina or health for such long events. There are others who feel the same or do not have the time to spend for that length of time... I'm talking about a good majority of people.

We could also join any Rookie event but not every one wants to join this type of event... again 'm talking about a good majority of people.

I don't mind pits stops but to plan races with pits stops you have to work out the fuel consumption of the car or cars being used and this means driving those vehicles on the track to see what fuel usage has to be applied and this is the time consuming bit. BTW, this has to be done for the ETCC events too plus all the other organisation that it takes which will be far greater than planning both the Thursday and Sunday events we have had for well over 3 years.

My proposal for Sprint races of 20 laps or so would take about 10 minutes to implement and give lots of us some good fun racing… we could have our cake and eat it without affecting the ETCC. Maybe we could have two 20 lap race on an event night.


@ cooky

It doesn’t matter how you dress the ETCC event up it is still a competition and goes against the Budes philosophy. Competitions have always been frowned upon in the past.

The 911 cup event is stated to be Holy yet it does NOT serve as many drivers who have turned up for the normal Thursday & Sunday events which I would have thought of as much more holy, yet they can be disregarded when the Admin feels like it.

Believe me, I would hate to see anything happen to the ETCC event as it does give community spirit but at the cost of the majority of other drivers.

Perhaps those who drive the ETCC should get more involved with the Admin of this event so that the Bude Admin have time to run the server for the majority of us, does this not sound like a very fair suggestion?

Do you think I am being unfair to ask for one server to be put on for an event for others cars when the 911 cup event is on? This could also be a 20 lap race with no pit stops so that administration is very little.

@ all
I am asking the Admin for hardly anything for the myself & the greater majority of you guys… do you think it’s too much to ask for?

Please show some support which ever way you feel, but please do not just sit there and be silent about this.

Gee

The last and I hope proper reply from me in this thread.

Since the first races in ETCC I offer alternative events with normal lenght. Sometimes on same track sometimes on others. But the count of members sank and the participants of ETCC races increase.

If it is easier for all of you who dislike what I've done in event planning last time, wether if you feel confronted by hypocrisy, dictatorship or what ever, please take this chance and offer your events here:

Event date: please contact gtlevent[a]bierbuden.de
car choice:
track:
training:
qualyfiyng:
laps:
time:
tire and fuel consumption:

Thx

Und nun auf Deutsch:

Für alle, die sich mit dem Eventangebot nicht anfreunden können oder sich gar Heuchelei oder Diktatur ausgeliefert sehen, nutzt die Chance und sagt was ihr möchtet:

Alles was wir brauchen:

Eventtag: Bitte mit gtlevent[a]bierbuden.de abstimmen
Fahrzeugauswahl:
Strecke:
Trainigszeit:
Qualyzeit:
Rundenzahl:
Uhrzeit:
Reifenverschleiß und Spritverbrauch:

Zur Erinnerung den Klassiker:

Frag nicht was die Bude für dich tun kann, frag was du für die Bude tun kannst.

@
B8man,

Since the first races in ETCC I offer alternative events with normal length. Sometimes on same track sometimes on others. But the count of members sank and the participants of ETCC races increase.

Yes, I also noticed this, but there were specialist events that were being run at that time such as the Mustang Vs Falcon or the Capri Vs BMW CSL.

These were not as well attended as the the normal Thursday and Sunday events because not everyone wanted to drive these cars, and I can safely say that because of what I have heard others drivers saying. Therefore one can assume that it was the chosen cars and not the event that caused this.

We can same the same thing about the ETCC. Yes it has grown but what else is there? Does it have the same pulling power as the normal 2 events per week that we had... at the moment NO. We used to have 4 full servers (4 x 28 drivers = 112 drivers) and more would have joined if there had been more servers on.

The ETCC event is not run 2 days a week or even every week so it serves only for those who want to race these very long events now and again.

New Events and Ideas
Yesterday I suggested that events do not have to have pit stops and need only to be around 20 laps and simple posters without pictures can easily be made.

You have not answered this even though it could be a very good idea and not as time consuming as any other event by far to Administrate. Have I suddenly become invisible?

It appears that when any member has a good idea and it doesn't suit the Admin of the day that it is either shot down in flames or ignored or the person is belittled. Quite frankly I find this arrogant, ignorant, rude and counter productive, yet the Bude asks for help and ideas... go figure that out!!!

I will suggest events as you ask but I will also put them on a thread so that all can see and all can witness what happens to any ideas.

Gee

PS. My motto is: Treat people the way you would like to be treat. If that doesn't work then treat them as they treat you and see how they like it!

Hy Gordon my friend,
please get not angry with what i write now:

B8man has give the information where Bude Members can creat Events for thursday and sunday evening. So feel free to creat an/ or more/ events for the days wich have no event at the calendar.
You can create events without pitstop ( i think the Bude Admins have no problem with that, im right?) and send them to gtlevent at altbierbude.de

So then you have the event you like to race at this day!
All the other words are for me not from interesst.
Bude is what all of us do here!

B8man offered twice to help with create events! What do you want more now???

See ya on track mate!

cheers,
Oliver

Hi Olli,

No offence taken m8, but further down my last thread I did say that I would think of some events so I already new that information anyway.

I was just pointing out to B8man that the dwindling of numbers on the Thursday/Sunday events was due more to the cars chosen for the series of events like the Mustang Vs Falcon & Capri Vs CSL.

I have been trying to make a positive argument for the great majority of drivers so that we can get better events for most of us again. So far this is starting to work as Admin have admitted that events have not been as many as before as I had first said. If we have to help with this then so be it.

However I still want to see one server put on for other cars on Sunday's when the 911 event is on as soooo many off us don't really like that car. This is very little to ask but I cannot get any straight answers from B8man as he refuses to discuss this any further as he says the 911 event is Holy... I pointed out that so were the Thursday/Sunday events but they were stopped by him. Am I wrong to point out that there are double standards and ask for something so simple??

Cheers,

Gordon aka Gee-Deeman

Copy of e-mail sent to gtlevent@altbierbude.de just a few moments ago.


Suggestion for 20 lap sprint race at Goodwood and a second race at Watkins Glen Long with same car classes

Race 2 to follow on straight after race 1.

No pits stops for fuel or tires unless needed because of forgetfulness to fill the tank or race damage

Event date not known as I do not know what races are already planed.


Car Choice:
All cars in the GTC-65 class

Track:
Race 1... Goodwood
Race 2... Watkins Glen Long


Training: 20 mins (each track)

Qualyfiyng: 20 mins (each track)

Laps: 20 (each track)


Start Time: 8pm CET (7pm UK) subject to Admin


Tire and Fuel Consumption: not applicable


Cheers,

Gee-Deeman

Dear Gordon and admins
I follow this thread and I thought about which kind of event I miss most, and here we go, a GTC 65 series! I studied several track lap times and I have one suggestion for an event night like this, in order to have the field more balanced:
1. race all GTC65ers without the V8 bangers
2. race V8 bangers only
both races on the same track

furthermore I have some nice tracks in mind for future events:
Bugatti Lemans
Rouen 55
Aintree
Snetterton 64

I am happy to help if needed!
cheers - Raindog