Woof & Cheers m8.

Gee

Geedee schrieb:

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However I still want to see one server put on for other cars on Sunday's when the 911 event is on as soooo many off us don't really like that car.
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I agree with Gordon, because I really don't like the 911 as well.
I hope, that a third server with an other car for the same track might be a solution for Gordon.
Why couldn't we drive the F1-Tracks at that evening with a Porsche 906 or cars of the ETCC-Class on a third server?
By that way, the tradition of the 911-supercup still goes on and many other members of the bude will be happy.

Ich stimme Gordon zu, weil ich die 911er wirklich auch nicht mag.
Ich hoffe, das vielleicht ein dritter Server mit einem anderen Fahrzeug eine Lösung des Problems für Gordon wäre.
Warum sollten wir nicht am Formel 1 abend die Strecken mit einem Porsche 906 oder den Fahrzeugen der ETCC-Klasse auf einem dritten Server fahren?
Auf dieser Weise kann die Tradition des 911-Supercups weitergehen und viele andere Budenmitglieder wären auch glücklicher.

Roger

p.s.: Das Eventplakat müsste nicht geändert werden! Im Text unter dem Plakat mit dem Hinweis über den Teamspeak-Passwort könnte der Hinweis über den 3. Server stehen.

ich senfe auch mal dazu.

Ich finde der Porsche Super Cup sollte als solches nicht debattiert werden aber, warum immer nur der 911er? Es gibt doch genug andere Porsche auf der Bude das kann ja auch mal der 935 oder der 914, 904 usw. sein!
Die ETCC Wagen sind für die andere Serie und da gibt es ja genug Termine für.

Was ich ein wenig vermisse ist der Historic Cup 65! Oder ein NEUES Duell ALfaGTA vs Alfa Junior vielleicht kann man ja aus so etwas auch einen Dreikampf machen (mit Toyota z.B.), frei nach dem Motto "Phantasie ist , was man daraus macht).

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I think the Porsche Super Cup should not be debated as such, but why only the 911? There are plenty of others on the Bude, Porsche can indeed sometimes be the 935 or 914, 904, etc.
There are plenty of ETCC dates so we should not drive these cars also for the Supercup Events.

What i am missing is the Historic Cup 65! Maybe a new Duell Alfa GTA vs GTA Junior perhaps with the Corolla to a TRI-Challenge.




regards/lg Dirk aka !Dick

I like the GTC65 Idea from raindogsenior.

The cars are not often used in events or even on quick races.

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I don´t understand, why it is needed to start several servers with different cars on event days now?
It was always clear, since the Bude was open, that there are planned events on fixed days.

And it worked well till now. That it is impossible to satisfy every person should be clear.

I don´t like small cars like Mini, NSU or Cortina. But on Historic-Cup-65-events, I am not screaming for a third server, where B8man puts GTC-76 just for my satisfaction.....if I do not like the event, I just do not joining it.....and finished.

If it would be up to you, we need to open seven servers with 10 different cars to satisfy all the people and that is not the purpose of the event day.

You have the chance to join races every day on 6 servers with every car, GT Legend has to offer.

But instead of using the opportunity the rest of the week, you ask to provide this possibility exactly on event days.

Then we actually do not need to plan any events for event days, we just need to change the lap number on every server from 5 to 50 and everyone find his server on which he thinks to have fun.

@ Ron,

I don´t understand, why it is needed to start several servers with different cars on event days now?
It was always clear, since the Bude was open, that there are planned events on fixed days.

It was also clear that we had events on Thursday & Sundays from as long as I have been on the Bude which is over 3 1/2 years but those fixed events dissapeared. This is an effort to do something about that in a way that the Admin can achieve with the least of fuss and effort. If you get more help from Bude members then it becomes more of a community event.

I don´t like small cars like Mini, NSU or Cortina. But on Historic-Cup-65-events, I am not screaming for a third server, where B8man puts GTC-76 just for my satisfaction.....if I do not like the event, I just do not joining it.....and finished.

A very fair point Ron, but at the moment there are not a lot of events to choose from. The 911 Supercup is not an event that a lot of people like to drive. The ETCC is too much of a long race and there appears to be a lot of practice and preperation for this which a great deal of drivers just have not got the time for. The Rookie event is obviously aimed at Rookies and not everyone wants to race with Rookies no matter how many actually turn up to race.

If it would be up to you, we need to open seven servers with 10 different cars to satisfy all the people and that is not the purpose of the event day.

So far only one real event has been asked for by us which is a sports car event. Perhaps the next event will just be fo 1 car only. Please don't judge this yet.

You have the chance to join races every day on 6 servers with every car, GT Legend has to offer.

This is very true... so WHY do the Admins give us any events through the week?

But instead of using the opportunity the rest of the week, you ask to provide this possibility exactly on event days.

We are wanting to satisfy more than just you Ron. There are a lot of us who like events... as you say, we can race the rest of the week... but only as normal.

Then we actually do not need to plan any events for event days, we just need to change the lap number on every server from 5 to 50 and everyone find his server on which he thinks to have fun.

This has been asked of the Admin a few times before but I cannot honestly say if the idea was turned down by Admin or what happened. Perhaps someone can remember. Anyway, even if you did put the servers on long races drivers would still ask for a proper event. People like events.

Having events through the week gives something a bit more special to look forward to than normal racing and you have a more plausable excuse to give the wife or girfriend for wanting to drive so I think this is very important.

What is being asked for will take minimum Admin compared to any other events. Member participation to suggest cars and races will be so easy as no real testing of them will be needed beforehand.

Cheers,

Gee-Deeman

It was not my target to criticise the way and policy of the bude.
I really enjoy to drive on the bude server, specially the thursday- and sunday-events.
But I've just time at those 2 days a week to do it (Job and family-agreement), so that Ron's opinion to join any little event during the week is not a opportunity for me.

Some members of our community have the problem, that the ETCC-races are too long, because they have to work the next morning. (I as well, but it's not a problem for me to sleep one night for only 4 hours. )

Other just want to have a chance to vote for an other car at the supercup.

So why isn't it possible during that two events to start an alternative server as Gordon seemed to suggest?

Roger

Hi there,

i´m following this thread from beginning, like the other threads in the past with the same topic.

There are three other buden and if you wish to have a event in the week, then try them. There will be no more events in the week because of the other buden.

What if the admins open another server on the 911 event? The next alfa event they have to open another server with other cars, because someone don´t like the alfa and so on!
The 911 Event is every F1 weekend which is every second Sunday. In this time there is still a server in "normal" mode running. So everyone who don´t like the 911 can drive on this server the car he/she likes!

Yes, there are a lot of ETCC races, for me too much. But there will be other times in future where you can race other cars, classes or what ever!

By the way, i think the thursday events were canceled because of the complainings (right?) about events in other threads.

Please, cool down!

@ Zephyr,

There are three other buden and if you wish to have a event in the week, then try them. There will be no more events in the week because of the other buden.

Why should we have to change to another Buden for such a very simlple request? We are asking for something that will make the Bude more popular which in the end means more donations and a happier more united Bude.

What if the admins open another server on the 911 event? The next alfa event they have to open another server with other cars, because someone don´t like the alfa and so on!
The 911 Event is every F1 weekend which is every second Sunday. In this time there is still a server in "normal" mode running. So everyone who don´t like the 911 can drive on this server the car he/she likes!

As there has not been an actual mention of driving any particular car yet this part of the discussion is open for further comment on the cars we could drive. It doesn't have to be the same one each 911 event as long as we can have an event other than the 911 at the same time. This is sooo possible and easy to do and as I said before "We are asking for something that will make the Bude more popular which in the end means more donations and a happier more united Bude."

Yes, there are a lot of ETCC races, for me too much. But there will be other times in future where you can race other cars, classes or what ever!

Of course there will be, but as there are suggestions starting to come from the members then surely this is a good thing and should be encouraged and not frowned upon. Back to having events on each Thursday & Sunday = more patrons who may donate, certainly more satisfied people.

By the way, i think the thursday events were canceled because of the complainings (right?) about events in other threads.

If any complaints were made then it will have been by a small majority of people... perhaps we should have a vote to see if we want events back on Thursday's and Sunday's?

@ anyone who wants to have these events.

Come on guys, I'm fighting for our fun, not just mine. Get on your keyboards and let the Admin know how you feel. The worst that can happen is that we don't get what we want... but by god I'll keep on trying for it!!

Gee-Deeman the has been trodden in the earth and Gee is cool... oh yeah!

hey deeman, all you have to do is send a email with your event idea to b8man. lol

sounds simple? it is simple.

but go ahead, i figure out my own. the contest is on.

Hi Carsten,

I sent my ideas in over 24 hours ago so I beat you to it He he

Cheers for the support m8.

To all. Send any event ideas by e-mail to gtlevent@bierbuden.de

This is what you need to complete:

Event date: please contact gtlevent@bierbuden.de

car choice:

track:

training:

qualyfiyng:

laps:

time:

tire and fuel consumption:

NOTE
If you want a race with pit stops then you must work out the fuel and tire consumption for the car or cars to be used.

You do not need to put anything in the tire & fuel consumption for any race that does not require a pit stop.


Cheers,

Gordon aka Gee-Deeman

Geedee schrieb:
@ Zephyr,


Why should we have to change to another Buden for such a very simlple request? We are asking for something that will make the Bude more popular which in the end means more donations and a happier more united Bude.




Hi Gee,

Because its topic on every bude. The yellow ones would like to race at Saturday (but there is blue event)
The red ones would like to race tuesday (there is yellow event)
The blue ones would like to race sunndays (there is green event)
And many user race on more then one bude, thats why there is no event on blue and green at the same time (just samples nothing concret)

I think the green bude is the most popular place for GTL. I don´t know any other place for GTL in this constallation. All for free, and Gee, believe me, we wont get more donations whith a second event on a event day (avarice is cool in this world)

As there has not been an actual mention of driving any particular car yet this part of the discussion is open for further comment on the cars we could drive. It doesn't have to be the same one each 911 event as long as we can have an event other than the 911 at the same time. This is sooo possible and easy to do and as I said before

this was just a sample. Certainly there is no car fix because there is no other event. One of the thoughts of the event was, that users were forced to drive a car which they won´t drive on his own free will. With the effect, that many of them said "not so bad. I ever thought i don´t like this car"

"We are asking for something that will make the Bude more popular which in the end means more donations and a happier more united Bude."


(avarice is cool in this world)

Of course there will be, but as there are suggestions starting to come from the members then surely this is a good thing and should be encouraged and not frowned upon. Back to having events on each Thursday & Sunday = more patrons who may donate, certainly more satisfied people. If any complaints were made then it will have been by a small majority of people... perhaps we should have a vote to see if we want events back on Thursday's and Sunday's?

Not frowned up. I think the Calander is full of events which were plant half a year ago, so it just needs some time. We all can get it, but not immediately. This is a discussion and the admins have to decide what to do next! I know it on my own from the time at the yellow bude, if you don´t think two or three times about what you are doing or writing you get the stick from the users. And if you only get stick, you will leave and give up! So every step ypu do as an admin should be well thought out. Sometimes it works, sometimes not

Hell i just needed nearly half an hour to write this few words! The translators are my new friends now i hope you understand it in the right way

I do not understand, why everything is ending at "more donations".

We do not want to get rich. Where to put all this money. After a while, father Germay will ask us where all the million of Euro come from. To say "just donations" would be a bit funny.

It is always useful to have a bit safety at the back end. But at the moment it is just the dicision of you when to donate.

If there isn´t enough money, we will reduce the number of servers and everything is fine.

And to mention: till end of the year, the event calender is nearly complete filled up for Thursday and Sunday.

Hi,

I'm not an active driver at the moment like I used to be but I have a proposal for you.

Not everyone bother to write long letter here on forum concerning this matter. I still think it's vital to get as many opinion as possible. So why not set up a vote:

1) I'm perfectly happy with the current event politics
2) I fancied more traditional Thursday-Sunday "normal" events (ie. current "Rookie events" excluded)

Just my thought.

Cheers,
Timo

@ Zephyr,

Hi Gee,

Because its topic on every bude. The yellow ones would like to race at Saturday (but there is blue event)
The red ones would like to race tuesday (there is yellow event)
The blue ones would like to race sunndays (there is green event)
And many user race on more then one bude, thats why there is no event on blue and green at the same time (just samples nothing concret)

So effectivly what you are saying is that we should never have had Events on Thursday's or Sunday's? Because that is what you are infering.

We are only asking for events on the days that we already have had events on so what exactly are you commenting on?

One of the thoughts of the event was, that users were forced to drive a car which they won´t drive on his own free will. With the effect, that many of them said "not so bad. I ever thought i don´t like this car"

So we try the 911 and tell you we don't like it... what are you going to do about it? Ask us to keep trying it until we do? I certainly wouldn't do this to guests on my server. We don't all want to drive the ETCC cars or the Event for Rookies or the 911 event but you are asking us too. when we ask for something else we are getting turned down. Do you guys ever wonder why this argument goes on & on and may continue to do so?

Not frowned up. I think the Calander is full of events which were plant half a year ago, so it just needs some time. We all can get it, but not immediately. This is a discussion and the admins have to decide what to do next! I know it on my own from the time at the yellow bude, if you don´t think two or three times about what you are doing or writing you get the stick from the users. And if you only get stick, you will leave and give up! So every step ypu do as an admin should be well thought out. Sometimes it works, sometimes not

We are told by one Admin that we must suggest our own events if we want them... now you are saying different. Do you guys in Admin actully talk things through together or just decide on your own?

As you know, I have driven on the Bude server more than anyone and with not being on the Admin side drivers tell you things... things that they wouldn't tell Admin... why? Because they know for a fact that as usual it will be a waste of time and they will probably get talked to quite rudely on the forum... there words not mine but by god are they right.

You Bude Admin have got your own agenda which we don't know about and when we ask we get nothing but you expect us to know... crazy but true.

It's not just the Admin who keep the Bude going but us the drivers! And some of us like myself donate to help keep it going. Without us you are nothing. We all need each other, yet here we are arguing about some simple little events that I am sure (because I talk to guys) they would like.

Is the Bude Admin going to let us down yet again or could it be worth it to just give the simple, practical, and uniting events we crave for a try?

You say there are events planned... tell us what they are and then we can tell you if they suit us... fair comment I think? We can't all be right!

Cheers,

Gordon

O.k. i tried to explain, but i failed!

Perhaps there is someone who´s english is better then mine, who can explain it better then me!

At least, i am no admin anymore because of discussions like these (in german and on a other bude) also i´ve never bin admin on the green bude. I only make some shirts for the buden meeting, thats enough for me!

I do not understand, why everything is ending at "more donations".

We do not want to get rich. Where to put all this money. After a while, father Germay will ask us where all the million of Euro come from. To say "just donations" would be a bit funny.

It is always useful to have a bit safety at the back end. But at the moment it is just the dicision of you when to donate.

If there isn´t enough money, we will reduce the number of servers and everything is fine.

And to mention: till end of the year, the event calender is nearly complete filled up for Thursday and Sunday.

So take the big donate thermometer on the Home page away if it's not that important and we don't really need to donate so much... great!!!

You say all the events are already lined up for Thursday's and Sunday's... so you tell us now... have you any idea how much time I have spent on my keyboard typing these threads!!!!!! We are not mind readers.

Tell us what the events are please so that we can judge for ourselves if you have chosen cars and tracks that we would like to drive. This is a totally valid request though I doubt we will get to know.

My personal opinion is that you are just saying these things to quieten this thread down. If you really had events planned then you would have told us at the start.

It has become the normal thing for the Admin to argue against atopic, then to give way and say you will do it, and then to take it away again completely. The next step will be for you to say that you don't want to argue about it anymore and the thread is closed... am I right or wrong?

For goodness sake treat us like the adults we are and not as morons like you seem to think we are. There are a heck of a lot of us who know more what drivers want than you guys do.

If this kind of crap goes on much more I will leave this server for good and I really mean it this time. What the he** is wrong with you guys... seriously!!!

The more we argue the more I know we are right... reasons are that you guys keep changing your stories to fit the mood. unfortunately they differ so much at times that we don't know who is telling the truth!

Gee-Deeman

Hi GeeDee,

I followed this thread, therefor I'm not a member since the first hour I didn't comment.

I agree when you say, that the ETCC is an event for a minority also request a lot of ressources of the admins. And it is not an event in the spirit of the bude "unforced" because it looks like "Lige"

Allrigth - it satisfied a lot of members, who growed up (I hope this is correct english ) from "just4Fun" to "better" racers, so you are always member of this group: have a look at your results

Allways the categories are obsolet -sometimes-
on thursday there was a Rookieevent I partizipated - allways I am a slow driver and I had no chance to get a place in the middle. When I enter a Server in the week, there are more chances. So i suppose, the rookie-event happened allmost without rookies.

So what - your problem - on sunday i don't like to drive, so I don't know if there is another server, when the supercup happened. But if there is a "normal" server online, I think thats enough for the driver who don't like the Porsche 911.

On the other side - if the Supercup with Porsche is holy - why not with all Porsche-Cars?

Conclusion - youre on the right way to send your ideas of an event to the bude, also I hope the admins will think about modifiying the "Supercup"-day. I recognized - if youre doing something for the bude, the admins are very cooperative.

Its very hard to do a job over a long time with empathie and in your free time and allways with creative ideas. So, the community which has very much fun of this hard work, has to give creative ideas back to the community and the admins.

So lets do it - and if theres an admin whos allways tired of his job - I think we can take him with us - lets go on

cheers

rdjango

Gordon I must say you have a point!

- It would be nice too have 1 server running with other cars when the 911 supercup is going on, I mean driving the same track as the 911, but with other cars.

- Same thing for the ETCC. Put 1 server on with the same track, but with normal distance. Or eventually put on a track and cars that people ask for.

@ADMINS

You are doing a great job by running this servers for us.
It's very kind off you too give people a chance too create events, then you know what type off event they like!

maybe you could put some kind of calendar on the site (like the Events 2010, but with dates)

Keep up the good work

Cheers,
Richard

Geedee schrieb:

Tell us what the events are please so that we can judge for ourselves if you have chosen cars and tracks that we would like to drive. This is a totally valid request though I doubt we will get to know.


And if you judge that it fits not that good for you? You want to have another one?
Exactly that is the reason the admins ask for ideas from all of us. It is no alternative to plan an event and rework it several times until the most members like it. That would be waste of time.

So sending own ideas to gtlevent@bierbuden.de is the best way i think. And maybe it will be very interesting how the community reacts on the new event- proposals, maybe for you too.

@ cooky

And if you judge that it fits not that good for you? You want to have another one?
Exactly that is the reason the admins ask for ideas from all of us. It is no alternative to plan an event and rework it several times until the most members like it. That would be waste of time.

So sending own ideas to gtlevent@bierbuden.de is the best way i think. And maybe it will be very interesting how the community reacts on the new event- proposals, maybe for you too.

You have misunderstood what I was saying Christian.

Zephyr said that new event ideas were not needed from the members as the Admin already had a full book of events planned. So I asked what they were as we had previously been told to send event ideas in.

The problem is that we are getting different stories that conflict with each other. We no longer know what the true story is. All I was trying to do was to see if they really did have events planned or not.

If you have read my previous mails fully through you will see that I sent my event ideas in 2 days ago and yesterday I also did a thread with the full information of how to send an event idea in complete with the e-mail address.

Perhaps my threads are not being read fully as we keep going over and over the same ground.

However, I am not holding my breath over replies from drivers saying they like or dislike proposals, as there are guys out there who will not write in the forum for fear of being ridiculed by the Admin. This is something which has also happened to me.

Cheers,

Gordon aka Gee-Deeman aka the Old Git aka Winston Churchill

Geedee schrieb:


Zephyr said that new event ideas were not needed from the members as the Admin already had a full book of events planned. So I asked what they were as we had previously been told to send event ideas in.


Hi Gee,
that isn´t right. I said that the calender is full for about two month. Ron said it´s full for this year, so ron is Admin here on green, he knows it better then me! I never said that ideas for a event were not needed! (If so, i have to burn the translator...) I just wanted to say that it will take some time that you can drive the event that you have send to GTLevent because of the filled up calender!

So it does not matter if our event book is full of ideas or not.

Ideas can send whenever you want and we will see, if soemthing fits better this day and we change it.

And the more ideas we have, the more we can plan for future and do not need to plan in last minutes.

A calender will never shown to the community to prevent discussions about our decisions and prevent restructuring events every day.

Events are some kind of surprises, so only visible for the editors.

Big_Ron schrieb:
So it does not matter if our event book is full of ideas or not.

Ideas can send whenever you want and we will see, if soemthing fits better this day and we change it.

And the more ideas we have, the more we can plan for future and do not need to plan in last minutes.

A calender will never shown to the community to prevent discussions about our decisions and prevent restructuring events every day.

Events are some kind of surprises, so only visible for the editors.


I'm an ordinary driver/user and I absolutely agree with that.