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                              Racing Regulations and Etiquette 12 Years, 1 Month ago  
                              Hi all,

                              This post intends to provide guidelines to those that aren't familiar with the racing regulations, both in simracing and real racing. Many acidents happen because drivers are not familiar with a common set of generally accepted rules for circuit racing.

                              In the attached file you will find a word document with a compilation of the main rules of the Clean Racers Club. The CRC are well respected in the online racing community and these rules are acknowledged as the guidelines we all should adhere to and strive to drive by.

                              Our gold rule beeing " If you kick the car in front of you, say sorry and let him pass! ", I would add here, for those who do not have the time the read the attached word document,these two:

                              -> In overtaking situations you have to have at least one half of your car on the inside of the other car at the turn-in point (you still have to leave space for the other car on the outside), otherwise you must back off and give the other car the inside line for the corner. As long as someone is on your side, you must leave him or her enough space to stay on the track.

                              Another version of the same:

                              25.4.3 - Right to the Line
                              The driver in front has the right to choose any line, so long as not to be considered blocking. The driver attempting to make a pass shall have the right to the line when their front wheel is beside the door/side-pod of the other vehicle. Once the trailing car has its front wheels next to the door/side-pod of the other vehicle, it is considered that the trailing car has the right to be there and that the leading driver must leave the trailing driver enough "racing room". "Racing room" is defined as 'at least three quarters of one car width'. In most cases, incidental side-to-side contact is considered to be "just a racing incident."

                              And also important:

                              25.4.4 - Blocking
                              A driver may choose to protect his or her line so long as it is not considered blocking. Blocking is defined as two (2) consecutive line changes to "protect his/her line", and in doing so, impedes the vehicle that is trying to pass with each of the two (2) consecutive movements.


                              My two cents worth.
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                              Re:Racing Regulations and Etiquette 12 Years ago  
                              Hi again,

                              Just want to clear that I'm not proposing any introduction of new rules. I am aware that an extensive set of rules is only possible for a small league racing, not for a large racing community as the one we have on the Bude.

                              In my opinion, our main and only rule is perfect as it is. But, for those like me that take racing seriously, seeing it as a simulation and not a game, I think it's useful to be able to read the generally accepted rules for circuit racing. They provide a better understanding of the sport and above all, if correctly understood and INTERIORIZED,they will make possible to have more fun during every night races, by avoiding sometimes unnecessary acidents that happen because drivers don't know the racing rules.

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                              Aw: Racing Regulations and Etiquette 12 Years ago  
                              Hi!

                              Its nice to see some more Details of these Rules.

                              I myself very often wondered If I have to let the other car pass or not.

                              I consider the Bude to be a fun server so I generally back off quite early and let the other one pass even though I would have had the right not to do it.

                              If I got it right, the rules say that if I can bring my front wheels to the door of the car I want to overtake the other driver has to leave enough space for me to pass... Thats quite interesting... Ill use that

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                              Re:Aw: Racing Regulations and Etiquette 12 Years ago  
                              Nepomuk wrote:
                              If I got it right, the rules say that if I can bring my front wheels to the door of the car I want to overtake the other driver has to leave enough space for me to pass... Thats quite interesting... Ill use that

                              Right. And that is more dificult to judge in simracing than in a real car, because if you drive in cockpit view (I do) its sometimes dificult to know if there is a car by your side.

                              My strategy is: I use the virtual mirror, and if I don't see the car that was behind me, I assume that he is by my side, and leave him enough space on the inside of the corner.

                              Just an observation: the front car does not have to leave you space to pass, he has to leave you space to be there. He still can fight to try to maintain his position, but he cant use all the track width because he has to leave space for you inside, but you also cant push him to the ouside of the corner.
                               
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                              Re:Racing Regulations and Etiquette 12 Years ago  
                              I agree what Alucard has said and although the Bude only has one main rule we just need to use our heads more and not our hearts when racing.

                              Most of it is common sense if you think about it. You wouldn't want to drive a person to his death in real life would you? and SIM racing shouldn't be any different.

                               
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                              Aw: Racing Regulations and Etiquette 12 Years ago  
                              In some cases(drivers on bude) i wouldn`t be so sure Gordon

                              But I also agree Alucard

                              Alu try TrackIR you´ll love it.Everybody ho drives in cockpit should try it one day.Helps alot. I drive only the real mirrors.
                               
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                              Re:Aw: Racing Regulations and Etiquette 12 Years ago  
                              Alucard wrote:

                              ...cut...

                              Just an observation: the front car does not have to leave you space to pass, he has to leave you space to be there. He still can fight to try to maintain his position, but he cant use all the track width because he has to leave space for you inside, but you also cant push him to the ouside of the corner.


                              Hi all

                              @Alucard

                              I hope you can receive my PM with attached file of PannoiaRing Feb, 29 2012, because I want to know if it's right that you kick me and I lost at least two positions

                              Cheers

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                              Re:Aw: Racing Regulations and Etiquette 12 Years ago  
                              Giancarlo T. wrote:
                              Alu try TrackIR you´ll love it.Everybody ho drives in cockpit should try it one day.Helps alot. I drive only the real mirrors.

                              Hi GT,

                              What I would really like was a triple screen rig , but that is serious money. My seat position is very much forward, I don't have the steering wheel visible and I adjust the seat the maximum to the front, leaving just the speedometers in sight. That hurts lateral visibility, and that's why I use the virtual mirror.

                              I would test the TrackIR, but at the moment I'm saving to buy a Fanatec CSR Elite wheel, so it will have to wait a while.
                               
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                              Re:Aw: Racing Regulations and Etiquette 12 Years ago  
                              Monello wrote:

                              I hope you can receive my PM with attached file of PannoiaRing Feb, 29 2012, because I want to know if it's right that you kick me and I lost at least two positions


                              Yes I did, Monello. It is in my replay folder already, and I'll watch it as soon as tonight races end.

                              I had already replied to your PM, saying that I received your email with the replay, so I don't understand why you bring this off-topic here.

                              As I said, we all make mistakes (even knowing the rules...)and nobody is perfect or infalible. I will say sorry to you if after seeing the replay there is a mistake or bad conduct from me.

                              Let me just add that I find curious that you remember an incident from 29/02, and have the replay saved! I already forgot last night incidents, and if I was to keep track of incidents in wich someone pushed me so far back as February, I would have to make a profession of it, as there are so many!
                               
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                              Re:Aw: Racing Regulations and Etiquette 12 Years ago  
                              Monello wrote:
                              [quote]Alucard wrote:
                              I hope you can receive my PM with attached file of PannoiaRing Feb, 29 2012, because I want to know if it's right that you kick me and I lost at least two positions

                              Hi Monello,

                              I have been watching the replay, and I'm definitely not sure whose fault it was. Seems to me that you tried to block me forcing me to the right around second 410, and as a result of making side contact you lost control of your car. The normal racing line there would be to keep left to prepare for the right corner ahead, but you decided to take the risk of forcing me to the right, when you should know that my car was almost by your side. You had to know, since I wasn't visible in your mirror, that I was on your right side.

                              The only thing I am sure, after seing the replay, is that it was not an intentional moove or push from me, but I admit that in the heat of the battle there might have been a judgement error, and if I kept going was because I felt at the time that it was not my fault/mistake. You had more than enough space in the left side of the track, and that would have been the normal line preparing for the right corner ahead. Why would I expect that you came to the right side? I was as much to the right as I could...

                              Anyway, if you feel it was my fault, pls accept my apologies. I assure you that I do my best to drive clean and avoid incidents, and hope that in the future we can have nice races driving like gentlemans.

                              Cheers,
                              Alucard

                              P.S.: if by any chance you want to continue this argument, I suggest that you moove it to a topic in this forum called "Wrecker? You decide".
                               
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                              Re:Aw: Racing Regulations and Etiquette 12 Years ago  
                              Alucard wrote:
                              ... cut...
                              I wasn't visible in your mirror, that I was on your right side.

                              The next purchase will be Trackir5 (as soon as possible )

                              Alucard wrote:
                              ... cut...
                              I assure you that I do my best to drive clean and avoid incidents, and hope that in the future we can have nice races driving like gentlemans.

                              Cheers,
                              Alucard

                              ... cut...


                              Of course , I'm waiting for... )

                              Cheers

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                              Aw: Racing Regulations and Etiquette 2 Years, 10 Months ago  
                              Hi Leute


                              rdjango hat diesen alten Trade gefunden.
                              Das beschreibt genau das "Schnautze reinhalten"
                              Problem was hier einige Leute haben.
                              Dreiviertel muss man beim Überholen neben dem anderen
                              sein, das der Platz machen muss. Vorher nicht!

                              http://www.altbierbude.de/component/ option,com_fireboard/Itemid,99/func,view/id,57904/ catid,9/

                              Wenn sich alle dran halten würden, wäre schön!



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                              Who owns the line - wem gehört die Ideallinie 2 Years, 10 Months ago  
                              Moin,

                              da ich mich an den thread erinnert habe ein paar Klarstellungen.

                              Es ging und geht letztlich darum wem die Ideallinie gehört und wessen Fehler es im Falle eines crashs ist.

                              Und da sind die Budenregeln ganz einfach und eindeutig: der Hintermann ist es, soll warten und sorry sagen.

                              Schlicht und einfach - und sind es auch nur 5 cm hinter dem Vordermann. Immer wieder durch die Admins bestätigt.

                              Der Anlass für diesen thread sind immer wieder Fehlerzuweisungen an den Vordermann z.B. in Videos. Das entspricht nicht den Budenregeln.

                              Alucard ging es um Fairnessregeln s.o. danach sollte man Platz lassen wenn der Gegner bei ca. 3/4 des eigenen Wagens ist. Man muss nicht !!! Mal abgesehen von der schwierigen Wahrnehmungssituation.

                              Im Zweifel muss der Hintermann halt das Überholmanöver abbrechen.

                              Und Fairness muss dann für beide gelten - z.B. Überholen ohne heftigen Blechkontakt und mit den Rädern innerhalb der weissen Streifen. Wer das bei IR oder AC nicht macht bekommt Strafen o.ä.

                              Wir haben es hier etwas lockerer und das gefällt wohl vielen - im Zweifel gilt die Budenregel.

                              Und wer Fairness für sich fordert sollte sie natürlich selbst anderen gegenüber einhalten.

                              Viele Grüße

                              Reinhold



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                              Moin,
                              since I remembered the thread a few clarifications.

                              It was and is ultimately about who owns the racing line and whose fault it is in the event of a crash. And there the booth rules are very simple and clear: it's the man behind, should wait and say sorry. Plain and simple - and it is only 5 cm behind the person in front. Confirmed again and again by the admins.

                              The reason for this thread are repeatedly error assignments to the person in front, e.g. in videos. That does not correspond to the ABB rules.

                              Alucard was concerned with fairness rules, see above, then you should leave space when the opponent is at about 3/4 of your own car. You don't have to! Apart from the difficult perceptual situation. If in doubt, the man behind must stop the overtaking maneuver.

                              And fairness must then apply to both - e.g. overtaking without heavy sheet metal contact and with the wheels within the white stripes. If you don't do that with IR or AC, you get penalties, etc.

                              We're a little more relaxed here and many people like that - in case of doubt, the bude rule applies. And whoever demands fairness for himself should of course keep it to others himself.

                              Greetings,

                              Reinhold
                               
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                              Wem gehört die Linie?
                              Ganz einfach mir!
                               
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                              Wem gehört die Linie?
                              Ganz einfach,mir!
                               
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                              Aw: Racing Regulations and Etiquette 2 Years, 10 Months ago  
                              Janosch aka Motzki schrubte:

                              Wem gehört die Linie?
                              Ganz einfach mir!


                              NEIN!

                              Meins, meins, meins, meins, meins, meins.

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                              Aw: Racing Regulations and Etiquette 2 Years, 10 Months ago  
                              Motzki schrubte...

                              find ich gut.

                              Zudem möchte ich diese vielleicht gar nicht so passende Gelegenheit nutzen, Euch meinen neuen Avatar mal zu zeigen.



                              Ihr könnt ja anschließend wieder zum Thema zurückkehren

                              Grüße ..auch an Mikkola und Girindus

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                              Blutsdete schrieb:
                              Motzki schrubte...

                              find ich gut.

                              Zudem möchte ich diese vielleicht gar nicht so passende Gelegenheit nutzen, Euch meinen neuen Avatar mal zu zeigen.



                              Ihr könnt ja anschließend wieder zum Thema zurückkehren

                              Grüße ..auch an Mikkola und Girindus

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                              In Rente?

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                              Aw: Racing Regulations and Etiquette 2 Years, 10 Months ago  
                              noch 11, 10 oder 6 Jahre

                              Hängt von der Regierung ab

                              Außerdem gings nich um die Karre, sondern den Hintergrund.

                              Den GTL Rollstuhl fahr ich schon länger

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                              Aw: Racing Regulations and Etiquette 2 Years, 9 Months ago  
                              Hi Leute :o)

                              Hätte eigentlich mit mehr intresse gerechnet.

                              Ist es für euch in ordnung wenn man die Haube,
                              vor der Kurve einfach noch dazwischen schiebt?

                              Und wenn der vordere dann abfliegt war er selber
                              Schuld!?

                              Oder nach der oben genannten Regel?

                              Klarheit darüber wäre schön.

                              Und jetzt ihr, liebe Gemeinde.


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                              Soweit es mich angeht, ist die Regel klar. Zieht einer innen rein und ist nicht weit genug daneben, also schon mindestens zwischen Tür und Vorderachse, dann hat er zurück zu stecken, dann gehört ihm die Kurve nicht. Wenns dann kracht, dann hat er zu warten.

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                              MichaW schrieb:
                              Soweit es mich angeht, ist die Regel klar. Zieht einer innen rein und ist nicht weit genug daneben, also schon mindestens zwischen Tür und Vorderachse, dann hat er zurück zu stecken, dann gehört ihm die Kurve nicht. Wenns dann kracht, dann hat er zu warten.

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                              frankes schrieb:
                              MichaW schrieb:
                              Soweit es mich angeht, ist die Regel klar. Zieht einer innen rein und ist nicht weit genug daneben, also schon mindestens zwischen Tür und Vorderachse, dann hat er zurück zu stecken, dann gehört ihm die Kurve nicht. Wenns dann kracht, dann hat er zu warten.

                              Glück auf!

                              Genau so sehe ich das auch.

                              Gruß Frank


                              Wie sagte Bodo Bach noch trefflich: Stau ist nur hinten schlimm, vorne geht es eigentlich!

                              Ich für meinen Teil freue mich immer, wenn ich mit anderen Fahren die Strecke teilen kann. Und zwar nicht nur der Länge nach sondern auch in der Breite!

                              Und genau an solche Rennen erinnere ich immer wieder gerne. Gelle Frank?

                              Sind wir nicht hier um gemeinsam und ungezwungen Spaß zu haben?

                              Der hört meiner Meinung nach auf, wenn man sich ohne Rücksicht auf andere auf sein vermeintliches Vorrecht beruft.

                              Wenn also jeder so fährt, das auch der andere Spaß hat, dann kann es nur gut werden.

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                              MichaW schrieb:
                              Soweit es mich angeht, ist die Regel klar. Zieht einer innen rein und ist nicht weit genug daneben, also schon mindestens zwischen Tür und Vorderachse, dann hat er zurück zu stecken, dann gehört ihm die Kurve nicht. Wenns dann kracht, dann hat er zu warten.

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                              Völlig einverstanden.

                              Aber, in Realität geht es of anders.
                              Wenn Ich ein Auto nicht mehr im Rückspiegel sehen kann ist er neben mir und lenke Ich meistens nicht ein obwohl Ich die Nase klar vorne habe.
                              Auch wird oft erst am letzten Moment klar das einer dich ausbremsen will wenn du schon bremst. Das ist einfach nicht zu sehen wie weit er neben dir ist und einlenken ist dann gef:ahrlich.
                              Natürlich soll der Angreifer zeitlich entscheiden ob er durch kann aber so öfter kommt es vor das die Einschätzung nicht stimmt (auch bei erfahrene Fahrer die hier schreiben das sie diese Regel respektieren). Dann ist es meiner Meinung nach als Verteidiger besser eine weitere Linie zu fahren und nach die Kurve sehen wer vorne ist. Das kostet mir regelmäsig mal einen Platz aber so ist es dann und ein Unfall wird vermieden. Aber es klappt auch oft weil der Angreifer zeitlich zurücksteckt wie zB Manfred. Er macht meistens vor die Kyurve klar das er da nicht angreift. Wenn doch, fahr zusammen durch die Kurve.
                               
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