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                          BMW 320 16 Years, 9 Months ago  
                          Hi all

                          I'm sorry to say that, in my opinion, these new cars like the BMW 320 are spoiling the game - this is no longer GT Legends with these cars...

                          That type of car would be more suited to some lower class in GTR2, but surely dont belong in GT Legends classes, wich I regret deeply because I had great fun driving the old classics.

                          Handling is arcade style, with artificial grip, and that is visible by the times they can do in all tracks - no original car can beat them, and therefore the game looses it's most interesting and fun component - great battles with cars with diferent handling and power characteristics, but with similar pace in most tracks.
                           
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                          Aw: BMW 320 16 Years, 9 Months ago  
                          the 320 fits to gtl perfectly. it is a group 5 car, but not even faster than a capri or 911. and it fits to the 76 vintage. maybe its something new and different, but not wrong for the gtl-era. and what do you mean with "fun driving the old classics". if you read up on this car you will see, that it is an old classic, too. and the handling is less than arcade style.

                          sorry, but i cant understand your opinion.
                           
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                          Aw: BMW 320 16 Years, 9 Months ago  
                          Moin,
                          Zum 320er eine Frage: er steht zwar unter den zugelassenen Wagen für Server 1, ich bin gestern Abend auch ein paar Runden darin geheizt, aber die Zeiten wurden nicht in der Rangliste berücksichtigt. Habe stichprobenartig einige andere Accounts geprüft, hier fehlen die 320er-Zeiten auch in der Rangliste.

                          Ist das Absicht oder klappt da was mit der Verlinkung nicht?

                          Grade für diesen neuen Fahrzeugtyp sollten noch einige Bestzeiten auszuloten sein und ich fänds klasse, wenn der 320er auch in der Statistik mit drin wäre.

                          Unabhängig von der Rangliste sind die Bestzeiten alle aufgezeichnet worden.

                          Beispiel für die Admins: ich bin gestern Abend 11 Runden im BMW 320 auf Pace Park gefahren. Bestzeiten sind drin, aber die Rangliste ignoriert diese Zeiten.

                          Wäre eh nichts zu holen, ich wüsste aber gerne auf einen Blick, wo ich stehe....

                          Hoffe hier lässt sich noch was drehen! War echt spassig gestern!!
                           
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                          Aw: BMW 320 16 Years, 9 Months ago  
                          at first no car is faster than the 320! eve nsenna beats his own records from the csl wtih the 320!the csl and the capri only have more topspeed and the vette too but in cornes there is no chance!

                          i tried it in the csl and lost it!its nice because the 320 is an enemy that wants youre limit and i tihnk a better training is not given !!my opinion
                           
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                          Aw: BMW 320 16 Years, 9 Months ago  
                          Über das oben angesprochene könnte man jetzt diskutieren bis man alt und grau wäre .... und das Diskussionen zu diesem Thema unausweichlich auftreten würden war mit dem reales des Mod´s klar.Denn auf der einen Seite ist es nun so das der 320 der schnellste Wagen ist (vorallem weil er jetzt schon schnell ist und Heute einige unglaubliche Bestzeiten damit aufgestellt wurden ..obwohl der ein oder andere ja noch mit dem "Standart Setup" durch die Gegend eiert "fliegt"Wenn irgendwann gescheitere Setups bei jedem vorhanden seien werden ...wird er logischer weise noch schneller ..und noch Unbesiegbarer seien.Auf der anderen Seite schreit die Gemeinde nun schon seit einiger Zeit nach Mod´s ...die nunmal so Wagen wie den 320 mitsichbringen.
                          Also könnt ihr euch ja ausmalen worauf ich hinaus will .... man kann halt nicht immer alles haben ..und das nun noch ein Server Xtra nur für Mod´s läuft ...naja ich weiss nicht.Auf jedenfall habe ich mir schon damals gedacht ... wenn eines Tages Mod´s auf der Bude laufen ...speziell der 320 wird die Begeisterung groß seien "zurecht" aber auch schnell darüber gesprochen werden das der Wagen ja auch alles in den Schatten stellt "Rundenzeittechnisch" ... sry ..aber das war so berechenbar wie die Motte und das Licht
                          Mir isset auf jedenfall wayne ... werde auch mit den Autos weiterhin meine Runden drehen mit denen ich bisher auch meine Runden gedreht habe ... und den neuen 320 ..und den Corolla..und hoffentlich noch mehr Mod´s Huldigen und natürlich auch fahren.
                          Also in dem Sinne

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                          Aw: BMW 320 16 Years, 9 Months ago  
                          Hey Sonk,

                          is mir auch aufgefallen, dass der Mod nicht in der Rangliste auftaucht. Aber letztendlich isses mir Schnuppe. Denn bei den Bestzeiten steht er ja und das reicht mir.

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                          Aw: BMW 320 16 Years, 9 Months ago  
                          Hmm, interessant. Ich glaube, hier bräuchten wir mal den Cooky. Ich kann dazu nur sagen, dass wir den E21 bei uns in der Liga fahren lassen, und da ist er nicht dominierendend. Zusätzlich, wenn ich das richtig verstanden habe, fahren wir in der Liga mit abgeänderter Physik, die die Reifen beim E21 schneller verschleissen lässt. Ob zusätzlich noch andere Dinge beeinflusst werden, weiss ich nicht. In 5-Runden-Rennen macht sich gesteigerter Reifenverschleiss natürlich nicht bemerkbar.
                           
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                          Re:Aw: BMW 320 16 Years, 9 Months ago  
                          Ok, maybe I was a little hard on critics to the 320, I dont want in any way to diminuish the work modders had to "bring it to life". And after a good night sleep I clearly remember that nice high-revs engine...

                          But I still think that, even beeing a valid and interesting car for GTL, it should run in a class apart, and not mixed with the classics, as its clearly superior (severall seconds per lap)on all tracks to others. Maybe on a trophee class?

                          And its not so classical, as I still see some running in real roads hehe.
                           
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                          Aw: BMW 320 16 Years, 9 Months ago  
                          hi

                          also bei uns inder Liga ist neben der Reifendatei auch noch da Gewicht geändert worden. Und noch was, kann mich aber nicht erinnern.
                          Ansonsten würde er alles in Grund und Boden fahren.

                          Der BMW ist ca 1-3 sec pro Runde schneller als andere 76er.

                          Aber wartet mal ab bis der 935 kommt
                           
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                          Re:Aw: BMW 320 16 Years, 9 Months ago  
                          Hi Alucard,

                          Yup you fired on all barrels last night about the 320.

                          It is not that much faster than a Capri at full chat in fact It may only really be faster around the wiggley bits but it has got a huge front air dam and a nice rear wing. At certain tracks the Vette 76 and the Pantera may easily out run it on a straight.

                          I believe that the 320 was tamed a bit for GTL as it is really faster and has more downforce but in the end it is a car that IS worthy of GTL in my eyes and I know other cars are on the drawing board that will fit with this.

                          Just enjoy it ...that is what it was designed to do and it works.

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                          Re:Aw: BMW 320 16 Years, 9 Months ago  
                          Hi Gee,

                          Well, my point is: I'm almost sure (in fact, I'd bet money on it!) that in near future we will see no other car in top places than the 320...Btw, is worth to take a look at "Latest personal best Laps" chart...

                          And this fact will, imho, interfere with GTL main charcterist: battle between diferent cars, but with similar paces over the distance, wich is the main interest of the whole thing.

                          Of course one can still enjoy (and much) cars like the 320 and other add-ons, but what I'm saying is that they should (again imho) be in a class/server apart, as in-game cars are no match for them. Mark my words...

                          The future will bring some light over I'm sure.
                           
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                          Re:Aw: BMW 320 16 Years, 9 Months ago  
                          Hi Alucard,

                          As I said in my last message "I know other cars are on the drawing board that will fit with this."

                          The next class of vehicle has to start somewhere and sometime.

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                          Aw: Re:Aw: BMW 320 16 Years, 9 Months ago  
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                          Hi Gee,

                          Well, my point is: I'm almost sure (in fact, I'd bet money on it!) that in near future we will see no other car in top places than the 320...


                          You're going to loose youre money. I have dreamed of "Moby Dick"
                           
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                          Re:Aw: Re:Aw: BMW 320 16 Years, 9 Months ago  
                          B8man wrote:
                          Alucard schrieb:
                          Hi Gee,

                          Well, my point is: I'm almost sure (in fact, I'd bet money on it!) that in near future we will see no other car in top places than the 320...


                          You're going to loose youre money. I have dreamed of "Moby Dick"


                          That seems incredible work , congrats to the "engineers"!!

                          But the original spirit of the game is that, inside each class, all cars have more or less (depending of course on the tracks characteristics) the same chances of winning races - are we sure we want to mess with this?

                          The perspective of great new cars coming thus enforces my point of view: they should be in a separate class, otherwise no one will use the old ones anymore... ...and what will this do to the game?
                           
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                          Re:Aw: Re:Aw: BMW 320 16 Years, 9 Months ago  
                          As I have said already twice and B8 man man man has said and put a link to a picture, there are more cars of this class to come ...in other words more cars like the 320 for performance.

                          If that is a bad thing for GTL then let us rip our motoring history books up and pretend faster cars were never around in that era.

                          What is the problem of starting a Mod like this that will continue to grow, lets have more great cars I say and look at the amount of drivers who have been back to GTL to give this car a try and they like it a lot.

                          It's the Modders who do these kind of things that help to keep GTL fresh and alive.

                          Long live the Modders and GTL!

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                          Re:BMW 320 16 Years, 9 Months ago  
                          Well I'm no Jim Clark and I'm pretty sure a lot of people in other GTC-TC-76 cars could easily beat me whilst I drive the BMW 320 in any given race. And I believe GeeDee when he says the Capri is equal or faster than the 320.

                          Any way there are other cars in the other classes too. The Ferrari 250 SWB, Aston Martin DB4, Healey 100. All great GTC-65 cars and great fun to drive, none really dominate the existing ones.

                          The more "flava", the better. That and the Porsche 917 being around the corner.
                           
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                          Aw: Re:BMW 320 16 Years, 9 Months ago  
                          Moin zusammen,

                          hi guys,

                          Alucard wrote:

                          Well, my point is: I'm almost sure (in fact, I'd bet money on it!) that in near future we will see no other car in top places than the 320...Btw, is worth to take a look at "Latest personal best Laps" chart...


                          I say: So what!!!


                          My first impression about the 320 is: A really great MOD! But for me as a Rookie very difficult to drive!

                          You know, I like especially BMW and for me the 320 is worth to be on the Altbierbude! I've tested it, and it's really fun to drive it!

                          But I'm not thinking about to be the fastest and it doesn't make any difference to me if this car will be the leader in each time table while we have some events where maybe the 320 will not allowed to participate like the Pantera!

                          I'm here to want to have fun, independently if I'm the first or last!

                          So let the guys who like to be first drive with each fast car and let lead them all time tables on all servers. Maybe sometimes they find out that it's very boring to lead the race but drive it lonely! Perhaps they need such kind of success for their self-esteem!?

                          Here on the Bude we are mostly persons who like to drive cars from our adolescence because we remember it from real races!

                          So lets have fun and some position fights as usual.

                          Cu on track!


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                          Aw: Re:Aw: BMW 320 16 Years, 9 Months ago  
                          Kommts nur mir so vor, oder haben relativ viele Leute Performance Probleme, wenn mehr als 5-6 BMW 320 auf der Strecke sind?

                          Auch ich mag den 320 sehr gern , nur bringt er halt ein bißchen die sehr gute Balance von GTL durcheinander.
                           
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                          Aw: BMW 320 16 Years, 9 Months ago  
                          Hi,
                          Zu den Performanceproblemen:
                          Bei dem 320 geht es bei mir komischer Weise mit den Frames,bei dem Toyota aber gar nicht.

                          Ich finde auch das der E21 ein sehr gelungenes Auto ist ,aber es kommt mir auch so vor,dass die meisten schneller mit dem sind als zum Beispiel mit dem Capri.
                          Aber mir solls egal sein,ich bleib erstmal bei meinem Escort .
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                          Aw: Re:Aw: BMW 320 16 Years, 9 Months ago  
                          Hallo........


                          Mental Gear schrieb:

                          Kommts nur mir so vor, oder haben relativ viele Leute Performance Probleme, wenn mehr als 5-6 BMW 320 auf der Strecke sind?


                          jep aber woher das kommt weiss eigentlich keiner so richtig......aber es ist richtig, das die Performance richtig fällt sobald mehr als 5-6 BMW 320 auf der Strecke sind...

                          ich kann Strecken mit 28 Autos fahren.... aber bei 6 320 ist die Strecke bei gleichen Einstellungen nicht mehr fahrbar.....

                          Tja..........muss halt mehr Power in den PC!!

                          bis denne auf den Servern

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                          Aw: BMW 320 16 Years, 9 Months ago  
                          kann euch sagen, woher ihr eure performanceprobleme habt. der 320 ist sehrt aufwendig modelliert und hat sehr viele polygone (mehr als andere autos). und bei höheren grafikeinstellungen geht die polygonzahl nochmal richtig nach oben (scheibenwischer, haubenverschlüss etc. in 3d). ich kann zwar mit 27 320 auf der strecke fahren, aber nur wenn ich unter den ersten 5 bin und alle anderen hinter mir. stehen alle vor mir, geht mein system flöten.

                          wenn ihr jetzt schon probleme habt, dann freut euch schonmal auf den porsche 935. hab mit cooky geredet und er sagt, das der porsche in minimalen grafikeinstellungen soviel polygone hat wie der 320 auf maxidetails.

                          da sind dann wohl so einige systeme erledigt

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                          Re:Aw: BMW 320 16 Years, 8 Months ago  
                          Hello All,

                          First time poster here. I do understand what Alucard means in terms of competitiveness regarding the original GTL classes. However, as was pointed out as well, faster cars have always been developed.
                          The gap between the 320's and the rest of the field is large indeed but is it really any different from the situation in the original historic or current races? In fact, looking at LMS this year the very same thing happened when the Porsche RS Spyder made its debut or when the Audi R8 was in its prime.
                          I think it is a natural process of improvement in racing car development. And the BMW 320 mod has brought that aspect to GTL.

                          I personally don't race online yet. But I race a lot offline. I found that using the fastest cars (Pantera, BMW 320, GT40) I would win easily most of the time. But since I didn't like racing the unreliable Pantera, I switched to the Porsche 906. This car could compete with the Pantera's in terms of overall lap times (with a very good setup).
                          It is no where near as fast as the BMW's though. If 8 BMW's enter in a race, depending on the track, I will not be able to qualify above P9. The AI has it's quirks thankfully .
                          However, if I drive at my very, very best and really go to the limit and possibly beyond, I can catch up with them and I can even beat them on certain tracks. I simply love that challenge!

                          I finished 5th on Valencia Street last week. I competed with 8 320's in a gruelling 20 lap race with a roaring Pantera in my rear view for the most part. That 5th place never felt better I must admit that 3 BMW's crashed though

                          My point is: You can race the fastest car, or you accept the fact that you probably won't win and see how well you can take them on. For me, that is a great experience enhancement!

                          cheers!
                           
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                          Re:BMW 320 16 Years, 8 Months ago  
                          Hi Sarafan,

                          To me this argument over the BMW 320 has been blown out of proportion by Alucard.

                          The Capri has a higher top speed (156mph) compared to the 320's (152mph) which is the same speed as the 911 and a 906 is slightly faster (154mph).

                          I have passed quite a few 320's in a Capri. The Chevy 76 (160mph) and the Pantera (159mph) are faster again so why do people keep saying that this car is so fast. It corners very well but a car with such a large front airdam and rear wing should.

                          If we take a look at the 'Best Laps' for all cars you will see that it is not as fast as some think it is. A lot of the problem is that the car sounds fantastic and so fast. Put that sound on any car and you will think you are going much faster.

                          In truth this car does fit into GTL and let's be realistic about this, the car should actually be faster and have more grip and it can clear snow from the road at the same time at an enormous rate, he he.

                          I think we should just enjoy the BMW 320 as it is a great car (some say ugly) and concentrate on how to beat the faster cars with it.

                          Cheers for the lend of your ears.

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                          Der entscheidende vorteil vom 320iger ist ganz
                          klar das Verhältniss zwischen Leistung und GEWICHT!

                          Der ist im schnitt fast ne halbe Tonne leichter
                          als Pantera, GT 40 und co.

                          Zu den Frame einbrüchen kann ich leider nichts sagen, Schattendarstellung minimieren hat sich
                          schon oft Bewährt!
                           
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                          Aw: Re:Aw: BMW 320 16 Years, 8 Months ago  
                          i'd second that

                          i m big fan of the escort and i know the cars i can catch and the cars i can t. so as long as i m with the fastsest escorts and maybe i can tease some faster cars its a good race...
                          its like "winning my class"

                          and as far as i remember we allways switched cars and classes here on the 'bude'

                          porsche domination will be back soon, anyways
                           
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