To Pavel

Watch out for Pavel, he's not a wrecker but he is NOT a gentleman!

Racing on server #1 on Hilltop about 1.25pm CET (now Tuesday) and I overtook him cleanly on the inside of the 1st corner to gain 2nd place and then the next corner he spun me and continued without saying sorry or waiting.

At the start of the race I put my usual message up about stopping and saying sorry and after he knocked me off I put the message up 3 more times but he did not wait.

I aked him if he was illiterate and when I did not get any answers from him I called him a cheat for carrying on. Eventually after he came second in the race I said that 2nd place really went to someone else. I got no response at all from this ignorant person. He left without saying anything at all!

Drivers like this need to be named and shamed. And he better watch his back if I am behind him next time, as I think payback is quite rewarding with Twa*s like that!

Gee-(Demon)Deeman

Geedee schrieb:
And he better watch his back if I am behind him next time, as I think payback is quite rewarding with Twa*s like that!

Well, I'm quite sure that you wouldn't get revenge on him, Gee. Never let yourself be pulled down by others...

But I fully second you in teaching good manners. I'm far from beeing a good driver - touching other's way to often, but a short sorry and waiting is the least you can do after such incidents happen...

It's still annoying for both drivers involved (it should be!), but on the other hand it's just a game and we're all taking much more risks than in real life. One should always keep in mind how disappointing it is to be spun by someone from behind, and adjust the breaking-points therefore.

cheers and gn8,
Georg

Hi Moorhuhn my dear friend,

You said:
"Well, I'm quite sure that you wouldn't get revenge on him, Gee. Never let yourself be pulled down by others".

He he …I may be British and a Gentleman driver, but yes, revenge is sweet if they won't answer you. What can you do to get their attention? The only way I have found is to give ignorant drivers like them their own treatment and when they complain you remind them of what they did and then tell them again the proper way to drive on the Bude. If they say nothing then you simply say "I would have said sorry and waited but you didn't when you did it to me".

This is how a father gets through to a son who will not listen and I have found it works well with drivers like this. I know that there can be a language barrier and he may not have understood what I was saying …but, if you saw your name being said time after time you would ask why …wouldn’t you?

You also said:
“but on the other hand it's just a game and we're all taking much more risks than in real life. One should always keep in mind how disappointing it is to be spun by someone from behind, and adjust the breaking-points therefore”.

I was on the fast left right left right bends of Hilltop and only lifted off the gas for a very short time, I think his problem was that he does not like to be overtaken. I never loose sight of it being just a game, but all games have rules that must be obeyed otherwise it ceases to be a game. As you and most other drivers know, I understand completely that errors occur and I make many myself, but if some spins me and says “Sorry” and waits for me to rejoin the track straight away then that is the incident forgotten about and we go about our racing again.

We were experimenting with a kicking tool a short while ago but there were some complications and until they are resolved this tool is on hold. The tool allows certain chosen drivers the ability to ‘Kick’ a player from the game without a vote being asked for. This will be a good deterrent to have as the actual servers are not always around. I wonder if it has been developed any further …mmmm?

I hope to see you on the track soon Moorhuhn as you are always a great pleasure to drive with.

Cheers & best regards,

Gee-Deeman

Geedee schrieb:
This is how a father gets through to a son who will not listen and I have found it works well with drivers like this.

Hehe - on some drivers it'll probably work because they are in the age of kids...

I never loose sight of it being just a game, but all games have rules that must be obeyed otherwise it ceases to be a game. As you and most other drivers know, I understand completely that errors occur and I make many myself, but if some spins me and says “Sorry” and waits for me to rejoin the track straight away then that is the incident forgotten about and we go about our racing again.

This is exactly what I've tried to say. My statement was for the general public - I know that there is no need to remind you on these things...

Cheers,
Georg aka Moorhuhn

This reminds me for the same ignorant behaviour of ALUCARD at Hockenheim in the black RSR two days ago (and with fred in his Capri at Ahvenisto btw).
He knocked me out probably intentionally and neither stopped nor excused himself nor showed any reaction in chat. I read other comments in the forum that this was not the first time he behaved like that.
For me such a behaviour is absolutely ignorant.
Drivers like that destroy the spirit of the bude.

The last thing we should do are revenge fouls on track although sometimes I would like to do so.
I suggest to contact these over-motivated drivers later via PM and to hint them on their errors.
I will try to keep calmer after such occurrances in future myself.

Ben

Hi Ben & all,

Ben says:
"The last thing we should do are revenge fouls on track although sometimes I would like to do so.
I suggest to contact these over-motivated drivers later via PM and to hint them on their errors".

I have tried contacting drivers by PM and on the four occasions I have they did not read their mail. Two did a few weeks after the incident and two I am still waiting for them to even open it after at least 6 weeks. I have not had any replies back either.

So the last thing you do IS revenge, but you have to let them know why you did it otherwise it is pointless.

I have also had problems with the drivers you mention but once you let them know you are not going to take it lying down they behave better towards you. Does my simple method of revenge work ...yes, because drivers who race so hard do not like their races spoilt. I get more respect from drivers who have done this and I end up giving them more respect back so it is worth fighting for.

If we all took a stance like this then news would get around that if you race unfair on the Bude you will be dealt with.

Happy fair racing is why most of us drive here ...Long live the Bude!

Gee-Deeman

hi,

i wrote a thread (german & english) that contains useful information about bude behaviour. unfortunately some drivers do not read the forum or their own pm, but all have to login on the altbierbude homepage to get the downloadticket. maybe someone could create a nice poster and link it to the thread about behaviour. and then this poster could be placed at a prominent place on the homepage.

i guess, some drivers have no idea about the gentlemanly attitude of the bude and most of the drivers. some people we might never reach, but every one who knows might understand the purpose of our policy. i also think that the requested driving policy is to complex to put it into a one-sentence rule.

Buderulesthread: http://www.altbierbude.de/component/ option,com_fireboard/Itemid,99/func,view/id,12412/ catid,3/

regards, m

... i hope to be able to race again with you guys soon ...

"i guess, some drivers have no idea about the gentlemanly attitude of the bude"

It seems in the last couple of weeks there are more and more of them. Some people starts GTL, but still drives like Need For Speed.

I started a race from pole position at Leipzig '67. I went with a long 1st gear setup, and some guys overtook me. After that someone rammed me throught the fence, and thanks to the low quality track, I stucked there. No, not frustrating at all! I have less and less patience for stuff like:

-some people have no clue about what track they're driving on.

-some people have no clue about how to keep their car on the track

-some people doesn't know what to do when a car visibly MUCH faster then them closing on them with headlights on. When I make a mistake in a quali lap, and I see that its time won't be good, I fcukin let pass the faster cars after that. Even when I have to go off the road to make room for them!

-some people doesnt hit "Esc" when they spun off, and the car stopped in a very dangerous place. Let's make a pile-up!

-some people doesnt use the mirror before driving out of the pits. Great fun when you're just about to start your quali lap at a long and difficult track.

Sorry if I've been too harsh or offensive, but I think it's better to let the steam out of my head here, rather then on the racetrack. I think I go offline for a couple days.

Hi Red,

If anyone finds what you say is offensive then too bad ...because what you have said is just the truth.

I wish more drivers would speak there minds about the behaviour of some of them.

Cheers m8.

Gordon aka Gee-Deeman (wanna be Sheriff)