Irgendwie haben einige Fahrer in den ersten Runden keine Geduld mehr.
Statt erst mal zuschauen was geht,wird immer mit Gewalt rein gehalten.
Aber anscheinend liegt es wohl an mir,weswegen ich erst mal eine Pause einlegen werde,was die Rennen betrifft.

Mal schauen was in Zukunft noch geht,aber erst mal nicht mehr.


Grüße Janosch

Hi Janosch
War heute nicht dabei aber hake die Rennen ab bei denen sowas passiert.
Etcc läuft bestimmt anders.
Würde mich freuen wenn du deine Meinung änderst. LG Tobi

You run away, because it's easier than apologizing for insulting me in public.

I apologized for my mistake, I try to be sober and accept that I am human.

I said sorry, I stopped the car and waited for you ... I think that's what the rule says.

Replay: https://youtu.be/SpMBVrGnVN4?t=10296

Oh, sorry wrong video.

this is it https://youtu.be/e9ro5AbGF3Q?t=5232

I hope that when you get cold you have the courage to see reality and apologize.

Nett von dir.
Dann liegt es an mir,somit bin ich dann raus.
Werde eure Rennen also nicht mehr stören.

Und für den Noob entschuldige ich mich natürlich bei dir Shaggy.


Janosch

I dont wanna judge anyone in general to make this clear first.

Only couple thoughts that popped up in my mind some time ago.

With the option to apologize and waiting everything is fine again after incidents like shown in the second vid.
Maybe this fact adding some more aggression when it comes to (try to) overtakes?
Would you/i be more gently if there is a one race brake penalty for incidents?

Dont take it as a poking in your rips, was just in the mood to share my thoughts.
So think about or not.

Silent Hunter wrote:
I dont wanna judge anyone in general to make this clear first.

Only couple thoughts that popped up in my mind some time ago.

With the option to apologize and waiting everything is fine again after incidents like shown in the second vid.
Maybe this fact adding some more aggression when it comes to (try to) overtakes?
Would you/i be more gently if there is a one race brake penalty for incidents?

Dont take it as a poking in your rips, was just in the mood to share my thoughts.
So think about or not.

I don't know if i am the right man to comment but here is my opinion as well.

I hit Janosch not long ago at Schottenring. Of course it wasn't by purpose but the accident happened. During the race i didn't realize what happened and i said he blocked me, whicj after watching the replay was clear that it wasn't the case. BUT i reacted too fast and let my emotions speak for me. I had a problem with Micha after that, once again speaking with anger and not with common sense. But after few days, when the anger was away i decide that i need to change my driving and be more careful when attacking or defending.

So:
1 - don't let your emotions speak for your self, give your self few days and don't comment the situation after it happened.
2- Yes, i think if there are penalties, more people, just like me, will think twice before overtaking.

But incidents will happen, it's in the nature of the sport.

Hi,

didnt like to race in Monza, so also like Silent I wasnt there.

But I think the reaction of Janosch has to be seen in a wider context. It was the second (documented) situation in the last time where someone killed him from behind without any reason (!!!). Dont know what he wrote in the chat, but in the video they talk about noob - what a shame, dear its so much harder like ruin the race of others.

Incidents happens yes - but we are on the friendly Server and its not the F1 or something else so we should relax more ...

Reinhold

Duleto schrieb:

But incidents will happen, it's in the nature of the sport.

I 100% agree. But we all better try our very best to avoid the cheap ones like the Shaggy - Janosch vid(the "OG´s" among themselves are barely involved), if we want to have as much as possible drivers. Dont we..?
Instead gain positions/win races to please yorself(even if its psychologically a normal behavior).

Let me quote Mr. Spock

the well-being of many weighs more than what is probably less or individual

Silent Hunter wrote:
...
Maybe this fact adding some more aggression when it comes to (try to) overtakes?
...

Do you see any overtake intention in the second video? (Or even in the first)
C'mon I know that you dont.

I see a front car that doesn't take the curve as should (just a simple fail) and the back car doesn't react in time (another simple fail).

The 90%* of the fails here are because of the adaptation to the front car driving and the other 10%* are because of agresivity.

Nobody (we have seen this before) should assign the reason for "self-saturation" to an event, because even "if the drop make the glass spill, it cannot be blamed for it."

If one race brake oenalty is the solution (we both know it isnt) prepare for the emptybude.com.

_________________________
Ey:
What if it was mandatory to wait until the next day to discuss things about the race?

I bet that with a cool head, sober and supposedly rational 99%* of the incidents of the forum would be solved almost alone.
_________________________


*statistical data could be invented.

If not on P1 the intention to overtake is there every second, from start to finish.

between your lines: just because janosch didnt take the corner "good enough" or should have(whatever that means in the dynamic of racing), its already ( "20%" ) his fault?
i see 100% lag of anticipation of the chasing car.

where do you get this 90% - 10% thing from? funny but very superficial.

But lets take the shorcut: you and i didnt get together, on and off track.
So i have nothing more to add.

Silent, I have never said its front cars fault, its obviously back cars fault, actually that thing is so obvious that this thread is not about culpability but about susceptibility and on overreacting.

Are you saying that because in your last race you have kick (by mistake) the front car you deserve a one race brake penalty? Really? (Not rethorical, I would like an answer even though you show discomfort when speaking to me, its not mutual, my life doesnt depend on this. For me this is just hobby and fun.

Statistics were a humor* style way to explain that there're much more adaptation incidents than agresivity ones.

That final part about what you say... Ok no chance. Relax, I will not go especially to you, nor will I stop doing it, neither when you appeared out of nowhere to blindly defend Reval nor this time (although they are very different things) because unlike the treatment of some (thank goodness they are a large minority) for me you are one more with whom to have fun in my moment of the day dedicated to the hobby.

But let's not divert the subject, susceptibility, warm acting and overreacting.

But please, remember:
What if it was mandatory to wait until the next day to discuss things about the race?



Cu on the road. Everybody

PS: rdjango, dont delete we are topic back as I have said.

Hi,

in my opinion - Janosch tried not to drive agressive in the last time. What happens - he was shoot up several times from more agressiv drivers. Result - he's frusted.

So if you drive defensiv you are the looser. Thats reality live - and so often practice on our servers. Dont know a solution. There are some fast driver they take a slower car to get good fights. Other always take the fastest car to win every race. If that is the main opinion - you get more agression in the races and less together

You have no clue how fu**ing relaxed i am all the time, every day. No need to care about.
You are good at turning and twisting words.
Just read what i write and how i write...
I ask a question (to myself): "Would you...if...?", not more.
My answer is, i wouldnt.
That leads me to the next question(to myself)...Does it make sense to keep it in mind when it comes to overtake action in the future?
My answer is, yes it does.

Its not helping at all to wait a day to discuss a incident. The fun and motivation is done at the moment you get kicked out cheap. Solution is to not kick someone out unforced/for no reason.

What the hell does Reval has to do with this thread?
Looks like there is still a sting sticks in your butt?
In the past i had beef with Reval too but was able to clear the disagreements, some could not.

i am allowed to speak (to you) only if i get 65 Laprecords in x days?
For example thats the little things too that makes you unlikeable.

Anyway, im feeling wasting my time with you.
I will free your space and step back in the nowhere again for now, if you allow!

The rules are very simple.

I saw the crash with Shaggy and Janosch on the video.
If it happens now and then it's very simple.

Front car gets into a corner and loses speed, much more than the following car expects. The following car reacts too late or just can't brake soon enough and a crash happens.

Of course the following car stops and waits, as happened. But it's not always as easy as it looks to react in time when you are chasing someone.
I've been surprised several times by guys as fast or faster than me when they lose speed in a corner and I end up hitting them. THe same goes for braking zones.
Of course you have to keep distance but when you're racing someone the shortening of the distance can happen so quickly.

But,

When you get hit a lot of times in a short while you get angry, I can understand that.
When, not saying this is the case here, you get hit by the same guy, it gets frustrating.

This should be solved in PM or with help of an admin.

Calling each other names in chat, no good, never helps.

Happy racing all.

Hey Jungs,
was soll dieser Aufriss?
Der Eine hat die Linie nicht gut getroffen und der Andere zu früh Gas gegeben.
Hoppla, und dann hinten drauf gefahren.
Ärgerlich, vielleicht auch vermeidbar aber trotzdem passiert.
Dafür haben wir die Regel "Sorry sagen und warten".

Das jemand im Falle eines Zusammenstoßes die Nerven verlieren kann, das kommt schon Mal vor.
Dabei wird sich bestimmt auch jeder von uns schon ertappt haben.
Mit kochenden Emotionen lässt nicht diskutieren, in der Regel wird sowas ein Streit. Das sind ganz normale (menschliche) Reaktionen.

In einem solchen Fall kann ich nur an jeden einzelnen Fahrer appellieren:
1.: KEINE Beleidigungen
2.: WARTET ab bis sich die Emotionen beruhigt haben
3.: REPLAY ansehen (gerne auch ein paar Tage warten)
4.: Wenn es nötig erscheint, dann schreibt den Kontrahenten mit einer PM an. Klärt die Situation in einer DISKUSION (nicht streiten sondrern diskutieren)
5.: Wenn ihr die Situation werde klären, noch abharken könnt, dann sind auch wir ADMINS noch da um die Situation zu schlichten.

Wir wollen hier schließlich
- miteinander - freundlich - ungezwungen -
unterwegs sein.
Toleranz, Respekt und auch Nachsichtigkeit sind dafür unverzichtbar.

Damit möchte ich "das Wort zum Sonntag" beenden.


Grüße
Euer Bordi


________________
google- translate:


Hey boys,
what is this outline for?
One didn't hit the line well and the other accelerated too early.
Oops, and then hit the back.
Annoying, maybe avoidable but still happened.
For this we have the rule "say sorry and wait".

Sometimes someone can lose their nerve in the event of a collision.
Each of us will certainly have caught ourselves in the process.
With boiling emotions one cannot argue, as a rule it turns out to be an argument. These are completely normal (human) reactions.

In such a case I can only appeal to each individual driver:
1st: NO insults
2 .: WAIT until the emotions have calmed down
3 .: watch REPLAY (feel free to wait a few days)
4th: If it appears necessary, write to the counterparty with a PM. Clarifies the situation in a DISCUSION (don't argue, discuss)
5th: If you can clarify the situation, can still tick off, then we ADMINS are still there to settle the situation.

We want to get here after all
- together - friendly - unforced -
be on the move.
Tolerance, respect and also forbearance are essential for this.

With that I would like to end "the word for Sunday".


Regards
Your Bordi

Moin :o)

Der Janosch kriegt sich hoffentlich wieder ein.
Währe schade wenn nicht.

Ich versteh ihn, 5-6 mal in der letzten Zeit
Abgeschossen worden und irgend wann reicht es.
Ging mir genau so.

Das gute ist, wie Dimitar sagte, und ich auch
mit gemacht habe, die gelbe Karte hilft es
ruhiger an zu gehen, beim Überholen.
Und ein Forumsbeitrag wie dieser, von Zeit zu
Zeit hilft auch.

Sollte besser werden.

Gruss Wiege

Judgment Day




Glück auf!

janosch schrieb:
Nett von dir.
Dann liegt es an mir,somit bin ich dann raus.
Werde eure Rennen also nicht mehr stören.

Und für den Noob entschuldige ich mich natürlich bei dir Shaggy.


Janosch

Apologies accepted, this shit happens.

[DTR]_sHaGGy schrieb:
janosch schrieb:
Nett von dir.
Dann liegt es an mir,somit bin ich dann raus.
Werde eure Rennen also nicht mehr stören.

Und für den Noob entschuldige ich mich natürlich bei dir Shaggy.


Janosch

Apologies accepted, this shit happens.

Öl im Feuer. Keine Frage.

Frage an sie admins:
Kann der Kram gelöscht werden? Finde das gibt schönere Themen

Nabend,

bitte mal alle die Hand reichen, runterkommen und das gemeinsame Hobby zusammen genießen. Shit happens. Nicht toll, aber auch kein Weltuntergang. Just my 2 cents

Glück auf!

suutsche bleiben,karre geradetreten,volltanken und weiter geht das.
lg,jo