@ Micha

Yes I do believe most sincerely that there are more guys out there than you can imagine who would want rules but they just sit back and wait for them.

You are a ********, and without written rules you cannot begin to tell people how to act.

During this whole fiasco I have asked this question several times and NO ONE has given me an answer:

What is the overtaking rule?? There are 2 ways to do this in motorsport and most generally on here we move off the racing line to let lapping cars through. What do we want on the Bude??? Which way to settle any confusion???

Until we have certain rules any argument that you may have with a driver can never... I repeat never be resolved so it makes it even more unfriendly and frustrating.

Simple basic rules does not mean we are highly organised for goodness sake, and it won't mean we are not friendly, just caring about what is what!

The Admin's philosophy and a few others throughout has been 'well you can always use the Kick procedure... This is absolutley more unfriendly a philosophy than actually taking the care to have some simple basic rules.

And to finish off Micha... I AM RIGHT and so are all the other people waiting in the background for these rules. I have more involvement with drivers than any of the Admin and I truly believe that this simple request is needed because I listen to what is wanted and said, I read the message on the GTL chat that keep asking drivers to obey the racing rules... Racing rules that we cannot enforce because we only have one..., and if that doen't work let's be really friendly and kick them out of frustration!!

I rest my case!

Gee-Deeman

PS. All this for a few little rules! It's way way over the top!

Edit by Micha

Let´s assume there would be those "rules"

Do you really think it would change anything?
Those who would read them don´t need them, those who would need them will not read them.

And what if somebody would not obey the rules? What could you possibly do? Tell the admins? Do you really think anybody wants to watch replays all the time and watch the servers 24/7 to kick people who do not behave correctly?

If there are rules there must be somebody to force people to obey them...

The whole thing is the good and the bad thing about the bude - for a lot of people it´s fun with a beer in leisure time, some others come here because they don´t have to fear penaltys for rude behaviour. If you get kicked out of racing leagues for bad behaviour or cheating, there´s still the bude.

The only way to make people behave better is to chat and to kick-vote.
And hell, just vote yes! Even if sometimes it could be wrong, what´s so bad about missing one race? I´d prefer kicking the wrong guy one time over not kicking the right guy at all...

And i know a few guys will be very mad with me after reading this. But thats what i am here for.

Hehe, thats a philosophy, I will keep in mind

Timo wrote:

Yes Micha, you keep your opinion, I keep mine...

I start to take this personal! because:

After this: Opel GT Mid Amerika
I told you in a PM how thinks work here. That was 2-3 Days before you get in trouble again and starting this Sh** here. So you cant accept our "Rules" -YES WE HAVE SOME- some people are just too blind (not Maze) to find them.
Is it this old Story? Daddy say NO, running to Mummy...?

@ GeeDee:

I never said: Your wrong!

I said you cant get Pizza here. And if 20-30-40 or 50% of our customers want Pizza.
It is impossible to make Pizza here.

Im sorry, only Steak and Beer

So, YOU asked for Admin-Statement. Sorry that you dont like it


Cheers Micha

Micha wrote:
I start to take this personal! because:

After this: Opel GT Mid Amerika
I told you in a PM how thinks work here. That was 2-3 Days before you get in trouble again and starting this Sh** here. So you cant accept our "Rules" -YES WE HAVE SOME- some people are just too blind (not Maze) to find them.
Is it this old Story? Daddy say NO, running to Mummy...?
Yes, that was the first incident here this year like I mentioned. What trouble did I get in then? Is there some rule denying you to get blocked unfair? I'm so sorry - I didn't know I should have stepped off the gas and cruise there although I was 3-4 seconds faster per lap. I have a perfect understanding and respect with that driver today, so why dig out something irrelevant.

51!N wrote:
The whole thing is the good and the bad thing about the bude - for a lot of people it´s fun with a beer in leisure time, some others come here because they don´t have to fear penaltys for rude behaviour. If you get kicked out of racing leagues for bad behaviour or cheating, there´s still the bude.
Oh - I didn't know this place is a shelter for cheaters and outcasts. That explains a lot. Why didn't you tell that in the first place - we all had saved a lot of time and energy. I guess these people are keen donators as well...

@all
We could argue this forever, no one is willing to give an inch up. And everyone has right to his/hers opinion. Why don't we just finish it here.

Timo

tjl schrieb:
[quote]Micha wrote:

@all
We could argue this forever, no one is willing to give an inch up. And everyone has right to his/hers opinion. Why don't we just finish it here.

Timo

Ok, because this is my impression too, we are finished here.

@ 51!N

Most people do read the rule about saying sorry and waiting so clearly it shows people do read them! But if they break the rule we can confidently tell them how to behave as it is written down.

I would rather point someone to the rules than KICK them and spoil their race like you say you would do, especially as you say you might KICK someone unfairly by accident!!

This is supposed to be the friendly Bude, I want to do it the friendly way!!!

We know you guys can';t monitor the Bude 24/7, that is blatently obvious by the lack of support we get when we complain about bad drivers.

Quote:"some others come here because they don´t have to fear penaltys for rude behaviour. If you get kicked out of racing leagues for bad behaviour or cheating, there´s still the bude."

Well that sums it up nicely thank you, it appears the bad boys are welcome here and the good guys can't have rules in case they spoil it for the bad boys!

@ Micha

I'm not blind but just couldn't find the rules which instruct you on overtaking or any other really basic racing rule.

Which brings me again to say what are the rules for this? Get off the racing line when being lapped or stay on it??? You still have not answered me at all and NO ONE ELSE has either

Can we all just drive fast out of the pits and into the path of other cars? I know that answer but almost every day it happens many times... but you and the other admin are not on that much to notice.

Quote: "If everything is so bad here, why did a single Person spended nearly 74 THOUNSAND Laps here and 4600 Drivers enjoyed more or less 18 MILLION Kilometers??? How could it be, that every day ight more than 2 hands full of people use our 5 server?"

Who said it was so bad here... not me or anyone else that I can see, but I haven't read all the mail like you have. I have always shown great appreciation for the Bude but I really find this approach by you guys to be misguided by the thought that the propsed rules will spoil the Bude. Sorry but kicking people for because they have broken unwritten rules sounds very bad and caveman like to me.

I have also noticed that the majority of guys who don't want the rules usually can be found either talking or racing with you... a bit one sided one might think.

I really love the Bude, I don't drive elswhere because the driving standards are not as good, but we get lot's of casual drivers here, those who are not members and don't know the rules or they think they know the rules but DON'T!

The KICK vote hardly ever works for us non admin guys. The Admin won't give us basic rules. The last cheats (Worst ever) get away with it and are allowed back on. The same guys who voted them a second chance are much the same guys who don't want the rules. The guys who want the rules are called blind and

I bet I have just as much fun on here as anyone else and most will tell you I am very easy going. I don't want to KICK guys like you lot want to if they spoil your race, I want to be more friendly and be able to direct them to a basic rule book.

You guys do a great job... a magnificent job... but you ain't always right. For every thing you have said I have found another angle why we should have rules and non of them can be faulted. The only excuse that I have really heard is... well no one will read them! That is pure speculation.

I'm sooo sorry that this simple request is so hard for you guys to understand and implement. Perhaps I'm just too darn friendly and thoughtful.

To stop this thread properly you could give us simple rules as we ask or this argument will never ever cease as there will always be someone asking for them. And that is a fact, you have said it yourselves. Why waist anymore time?

Maybe I go kick a dog or something to get rid of this frustration.

Gee-Deeman

Geedee schrieb:


Maybe I go kick a dog

Don´t. ever. do. that.

51!N wrote:
Geedee schrieb:


Maybe I go kick a dog

Don´t. ever. do. that.


I wouldn't kick a dog at all, and I don't kick drivers unless I know why first... saves the innocent ones from having there "Together - Friendly - Unforced' racing spoilt.

To stop this thread properly you could give us simple rules as we ask or this argument will never ever cease as there will always be someone asking for them.

???

Ist mein Englisch so beschi**en?

Noch jemand, der nicht verstanden hat, dass es keinen "Regelkatalog" geben wird weildasdengrundsätzenderaltbierbudewiederspricht und wir keine Liga sind und so etwas im vierundzwanzigstunden/siebentagediewoche/ dreihundertfünfundsechzigtageimjahr Betrieb schlichtweg nicht zufriedenstellend umgesetz werden kann?

Ich besauf mich jetzt!!! Danke für den tollen Urlaub!

Enjoy your drink Micha and am I suppose to thank you for your insults instead of constructive criticism?

Still no answer to my question about overtaking. I thought you said you read the mail?

No more from me now as I think that so many people must have read what is going on and found they still don’t have a clue as how to race… probably more confused than ever… Cheers to the Admin for clarity!

Gee-Deeman

PS. this is the last from me now, I’m old and it appears much wiser now.

I totally agree that there should be a ‘guideline’ set of rules to point new or unruly drivers to.

The proposed list is good and should be used. As you say not all will read it, but if a new driver comes along with little regard for other drivers, it is far easier to mention a list of rules and be able to point them in that direction so they can read how they should drive with regard to other drivers.

Without the list, there is no guideline.

The ‘kick’ option does not work, only a few drivers will be aware of the ‘bad’ driver if they have been knocked off.

It took along time for the Martini/Logitech25 thing to come to a head where enough folk were able to see what was going on and to start the ‘Kick’ action. Admin did little!

So get some rules posted, that’s my vote.

I am a fairly new driver here, I try to be fair to all, I make mistakes. That’s what comes with driving on the limit of the cars setup.

But I say sorry, I spoil my own races or laps rather than spoil someone else’s.
I wish others felt the same.

Maurice.
PS if I take you out, SORRY it’s not my plan.

this thread is not discussed anymore. there will be no rules for our community how to act and our main intention, how to act on servers is the only rule, we will have in future. and 90% of our users know it and respect it.

Hättest gar nicht antworten sollen

If there are real jackasses on the server, i think we can send the replay(the ingame file) with some notes to the admins and they take care of it.

correct me if i am wrong.

auf ein neues...

an now back to topic: let's talk about the weather!

It is cold and foggy((( best time to play GTL
cheers

Der braucht nen Moment...

wenn ich versuche zu überholen
mache ich`s meistens so:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7IuCnh0iiw8

Hi,

I loved this site for over 2 years driving the events twice a week. But since last summer there began to come more and more new drivers who didn't care about the rules here and they gradually took all the fun of driving.

I tried to stand up and fight against those unfair drivers by my own and asking help from the admins. But it was rudely rejected. That was the last drop for me.

In the light of recent experiences I have discovered a new meaning for the slogan "Together-Friendly-Unforced":

Together - We are together strongly against all new and fresh ideas.
Friendly - We stay friendly so far you agree with us.
Unforced - If you are not completely satisfied, feel free to leave.

The admins here are highly skilled what it comes to technical, graphical and all game related issues, but by my opinion many of them seem to lack even the basic social skills.

They call this a community. But by my opinion this does not so widely fulfill the definition of a community (of interest). Find out that definition yourself and make your own conclusion.

They run this site like despots walking over our wishes and showing no respect for us members who finance all this in the form of DONATIONS. By my opinion we should be allowed some form of influence in turn. I would personally find some kind of voting system fair for that. Each member having their vote for or against some issue arisen and certain percentage of those who voted is needed for a change. If it is not reached, then no change. Discussion over, all members should accept the decision.

But UNITED all you ordinary members are able to get the influence you deserve, I have told the "KEY" for that now...

You can sweep my name from the ETCC 2010 signed drivers list, I find no inspiration to drive here any more.

I leave the ground and turn myself into a WWI pilot in the game named "Rise of Flight". The skies over the French countryside call me now...

Thanks for all those unforgettable moments, all you fair members I met here!

Adios amigos,
Timo

Hello Timo
Rise of Flight is a Wargame !
Well I understand your meaning.

There they call it with the right word .

And here they call it racing but
they play it like war.

But realize : In ETCC you have none of this
stupid guys.

Avoid the weekly races and join only for
the special events!

Practice with GeeDee is always nice.

Overall, I agree with you're Meaning.

Quantity (on the Buden) is not always Quality
And I don't mean the Buden Members but
some People who visits the Servers.

schade das Forum nimmt keine animierten gifs...

Ich frage mich, wann hier einer die Faxen dicke hat und den Thread schließt

@ KaiDasEi: Nach dem Post hier kommt bestimmt ein Threadclose... L O L

Hey Guys: We re too old, to play with some kids in the sandpit. Had to write this, although I left the Buden in September last year because of the arrogant behaviour of some Admins... (please use Google translation for the text below, but its like every machinetranslation, somehow senseless, maybe u get the point)

Ihr rafft es nicht, und werdet daran auch kaputt gehen!!!
Wenn ihr euren Arsch schon von den Mitgliedern hier finanzieren lasst, wovon man bei der 24/7 Aktivität mancher hier ausgehen muß, solltet ihr euren Finanziers auch Gehör schenken. So läuft das nun mal. Ihr seid kein Verein, keine Firma, was seid Ihr denn? Gemeinnützig? nö? Gewinnorientiert? man weiß es nicht? (Klickraten und Leads sind für mich keine Fremdworte, leider hat aber kaum einer von den fleißigen Amazonklickern eine Ahnung wieviel Kohle da hängenbleibt, ich verdiene selbst gutes Geld im Web, ABER ALS UNTERNEHMER!!!)
Ihr kassiert Geld und legt die Einnahmen nicht innerhalb der Community offen, warum wohl, scheint ein nettes Geschäft zu sein, die Leute hier mit Hilfe einiger Nerds, welche regelmäßig für Fahrzeug und Streckennachschub sorgen (kann eh keiner alles fahren), bei der Stange zu halten. Ist nur eine Vermutung.
Erst als ich damals auf die Kacke gehauen (androhen von rechtlichen Schritten / anpissen beim Finanzamt) habe (wegen meinem Shirt), wurde manch einer schnell recht kleinlaut, obwohl er mir zuvor (fast) wörtlich schrieb, dass ihm / ihnen mein Anliegen (für das bezahlte Geld die Ware zu erhalten) scheissegal sei.
Aber so ist es, fast überall in der Wirtschaft: Mit dem Erfolg kommt Arroganz, mit der Arroganz der Untergang.

Scheisse ich wollte doch nichts mehr schreiben...
Greetings to "Micha" and "B8man" (die Forenpolizei, LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL)