Hallo oder eher Tschüss, sucht Euch was aus.

Viele haben ja heute mitbekommen was AGM heute wieder schönes geleistet hat.

Freitag war es glaube ich als er sich wieder mal nur mit anlehen an mir vorbeiquetschen konnte. Erst nach mehrmaliger Lichthupe kam ein Sorry und er liess mich vorbei.

Heute konnte ich zusehen wie er jemanden abräumte, schrieb Sorry und fuhr einfach weiter.

Mir donnerte er voll hinten rein. Selbes Spiel. Sorry im Chat aber weiterfahren.

Ich koche gerade vor Wut. Meine Hände zittern. Er kann sich glücklich schätzen wohnt er nicht in meinem Nachbarhaus...

So fahre ich aber nicht weiter. Sorry. Wir haben hier klare Regeln. Wer sich nicht dran hält soll gesperrt werden oder selber abhauen. Solange er hier fährt tu ich es nicht mehr.

PS: Ich bin nicht der Einzige der mit ihm Probleme hat. Es gibt noch viele andere die das selbe Erzählen könnten.

Gruss Reto

Das stimmt leider und wurde auch nach dem Rennen noch relativ ausgiebig thematisiert im TS. Und dabei gingen die Meinungen gar nicht auseinander, sondern es herrschte einhellige Übereinstimmung darüber, das tatsächlich etwas geschehen muss!

Die Idee, z.B. mal eine zweiwöchige ABB-Serversperre zu vollstrecken, fand dabei ebenfalls Zustimmung. Gutes Zureden im Chat, schriftliche Er- bzw. Anmahnungen via PM und ähnliche Vorgehensweisen haben ja bislang zu keinerlei Ergebnis geführt.

2 Wochen sperren wird gar nichts bringen. Das kannst du mir glauben...

Ich hab es einfach satt vor jedem Rennen damit rechnen zu müssen dass der wieder mich oder jemand anders abräumt ohne Rücksicht.

Ich mein das komplett ernst. Wenn der nicht permanent fliegt geh ich selber.

Könnt Euch selber aussuchen wen ihr lieber hier habt.

GTL ist die einzige Sim die ich fahre. Sollte es also soweit kommen werde ich über den Verkauf meines ganzen Rig's nachdenken. Wär zwar schade drum. Aber für was in einem Halbschalensitz hocken wenn man nicht mehr fährt?

Gruss

Schwiizer schrieb:

Könnt Euch selber aussuchen wen ihr lieber hier habt.


Nein, so geht das nicht. 'Wir'sind alle ABB und wir machen keine 100% Zusammenstrafe oder so.

Bitte, Admins , schau das Replay and und sammle die Meinungen von Leute die ihr traut und entscheide dann was passieren soll. Ich glaube, wenn noetig, eine Sperre von einen Monat oder so wirkt und Ich hoere im TS das das bei andere BB Clubs gut wirkt.
Das einer jetzt abhaut oder droht abzuhauen und das auch noch hier im Forum bestaetigt fuer mich ein Zeichen das da etwas hier zu lange gedauert hat. Ich habe schon oefter PM geschickt an Leute die im TS genennt werden als unfair aber das bringt offenbar nichts.

Das sind keine Drohungen.

Das sind die Konsequenten die ich ziehe wenn es so bleibt wie es ist.

Finde es traurig dass solche Leute überhaupt so lange hier fahren können ohne dass sie Ärger bekommen. Zumal schon lange bekannt ist wie sie fahren und ich nicht der Einzige bin der darüber klagt.

Klar muss ich die Admins auch in Schutz nehmen. Sie sehen nicht alles und ich weiss dass das mit Sperren nicht so einfach geht. Aber ich finde es ist nun doch mal an der Zeit dass etwas passieren sollte.

Gruss

schaut euch bitte erst mal das Replay an bevor ihr euch hier äussert.

Gruß Manfred

Replay:

1708: AGM faehrt schnell in Chicane (Anfang Sektor3) hinein und stosst Reto an. Nicht gut, voll Ungeduld aber kann passieren. Was schlimm ist, er wartet nicht sonst ueberholt Reto VOR nachste Kurve. Das geht nicht! So fahren wir hier nicht.

Szene 2, Replay 1770 oder so; AGM raumt Piglet (beim Ueberrunden), der Muehe mit den Curb hat einfach ab. Auch das kann passieren obwohl es aussahe wie ein Rookiefehle. Aber AGM wartet nur ein bischen auf Reto der Piglet nicht mehr vermeiden konnte. Er sollte natuerlich auf Piglet warten und damit sein Position an Reto verlieren. Nicht fair.

Admins, schau euch das bitte mal an.

Hi everybody.
Hi Schwiizer particularly.

First at all sorry for speaking english on a deustche topic, but I preffer because google translator could translate something incorrect.

I have a very slow upload connection, in fact, I´m uploading a vídeo and comment through posting the vídeo.

See you in "few" minutes.

Regards

Können wir hier bitte zur Sachlichkeit zurückkehren?
Auch eine Art "Hexenjagd" ist bestimmt nicht Teil der Budenkultur! Ich hab mir jetzt mein Replay angeguckt, aber wie das mit Replays bei GTL so ist, der Vorfall mit Piglet ist zu sehen, sieht aber sehr seltsam aus. Der Vorfall mit Reto, da ist bei mir garnichts erkennbar...könnte daran liegen, das beide Autos mit der Vorderachse einen Meter im Asphalt versunken sind und sich nur ruckartig bewegen. Werd mir morgen das Replay aus dem Archiv angucken, die Kollegen sicher auch, aber bis dahin bitte freundlich und sachlich miteinander!

Glück auf!

Keine Angst

Ich hab gesagt was zu sagen ist. Nun warte ich mal ab.

Hab mir mein Replay nicht angesehen und hab es auch nicht vor. So wie ich es geschrieben hab fühlte es sich beim Fahren an.

Wie es von aussen aussieht weiss ich nicht. Vielleicht ganz anders.

Gruss

Hallo,

auch auf der ABB hat es Sperren gegeben, die m.E. durchaus die gewünschte Wirkung gezeigt haben. Und eine erpresserische Forderung in dieser Form ist hoffentlich der aktuellen Entrüstung geschuldigt und entspricht m.E. auch nicht den Budenmotto - sorry Reto.

Schaut euch das Video an - nicht das eigene - dann reklamiert bei den admins. Im TS schaukeln sich Emotionen schnell hoch, ist aber sicher nicht sehr objektiv, schon gar nicht mitten im Rennen.

mit sachlichen Grüßen

rdjango

Schwiizer wrote:
Hallo oder eher Tschüss, sucht Euch was aus.

Viele haben ja heute mitbekommen was AGM heute wieder schönes geleistet hat.

Freitag war es glaube ich als er sich wieder mal nur mit anlehen an mir vorbeiquetschen konnte. Erst nach mehrmaliger Lichthupe kam ein Sorry und er liess mich vorbei.

Heute konnte ich zusehen wie er jemanden abräumte, schrieb Sorry und fuhr einfach weiter.

Mir donnerte er voll hinten rein. Selbes Spiel. Sorry im Chat aber weiterfahren.

Ich koche gerade vor Wut. Meine Hände zittern. Er kann sich glücklich schätzen wohnt er nicht in meinem Nachbarhaus...

So fahre ich aber nicht weiter. Sorry. Wir haben hier klare Regeln. Wer sich nicht dran hält soll gesperrt werden oder selber abhauen. Solange er hier fährt tu ich es nicht mehr.

PS: Ich bin nicht der Einzige der mit ihm Probleme hat. Es gibt noch viele andere die das selbe Erzählen könnten.

Gruss Reto

Sorry for answering in English as could be a bad translation translating to Deustche.

Dear:

I´m barely gonna dedicate words to you, as a "human" with that linguistic depravity (threatening to make an allusion to an encounter in case we were neighbors) doesnt deserve words as words seem to be his last resort in a discussion. I´m not here to educate someone. I´m here to have fun and for trying to make have fun people.

Sorry for barely wait for you.
I just saw how you continued but saw you losing traction. As you can see you could continue in parallel, so that neither of us would have lost the position with the car that came behind, BUT you tried (clearly) to hit (kick, push, stamp) me to the green. ¿Dont you think its a reason to keep going instead of waiting for you? (Its rhetoric, dont answer, just think about).

People:

I´m simply sorry that this dispute has been generated, but as I have receibe that topic messages and a personal message telling me that driving style for today has been inapropiate, I feel in necessity to answer.

First at all I would like to show you two videos. Today, red Schwiizer, blue byAGM: www.youtube.com/watch?v=0VLnxeoc-ME

I touch (touch) him. Answered personally to him few lines above.
But... nobody wants to realize how he tries to stamp me and ruin my career in the second 16 of the video?
Why video keeps recording him? because his driving style on his next lap shows how he begins to warm and become frustrated, pushes ESC and comes to forum to write an disrespectful and mad or raging post.

EDIT: About the crash with Piglet, I brake during 6 seconds (on wich I say sorry, of course) UNTILL I see Piglet telling me sorry. With that sorry I considered that he has failed on that turn (as I saw, his speed was abnormally reduced), he takes for granted that is not my fault but its his fault for having lost control and having made me "eat it" a turn wit usual triple speed. (Anyway I keep my sorry for him as I couldnt avoid to crash him, either his foult or my foult)

Second at all, I want to show the unique 2 moments of the race on friday (as he says kinda I ruined his friday race...):
On first (00:04), I think I´m not "guilty", anyway, I wait him.
On second (00:22), I just dont touch him. He loses control, so I keep going.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=ca0hlh4S8qM

Maybe I´m Irritating when I´m behind somebody trying to overtake. I just love fighting, and I just consider a bad race when I havent had fight on it.

Witch catches Happened in XVII century. We´re in XXI.
Please ban me when I am as disrespectful as the man who created this post.

Regards.


PD: Mr Caleborn. Did I made something to you? (not rhetoric, I´m really questioning myself...)

byagm schrieb:
Schwiizer wrote:
Hallo oder eher Tschüss, sucht Euch was aus.

Viele haben ja heute mitbekommen was AGM heute wieder schönes geleistet hat.

Freitag war es glaube ich als er sich wieder mal nur mit anlehen an mir vorbeiquetschen konnte. Erst nach mehrmaliger Lichthupe kam ein Sorry und er liess mich vorbei.

Heute konnte ich zusehen wie er jemanden abräumte, schrieb Sorry und fuhr einfach weiter.

Mir donnerte er voll hinten rein. Selbes Spiel. Sorry im Chat aber weiterfahren.

Ich koche gerade vor Wut. Meine Hände zittern. Er kann sich glücklich schätzen wohnt er nicht in meinem Nachbarhaus...

So fahre ich aber nicht weiter. Sorry. Wir haben hier klare Regeln. Wer sich nicht dran hält soll gesperrt werden oder selber abhauen. Solange er hier fährt tu ich es nicht mehr.

PS: Ich bin nicht der Einzige der mit ihm Probleme hat. Es gibt noch viele andere die das selbe Erzählen könnten.

Gruss Reto

Sorry for answering in English as could be a bad translation translating to Deustche.

Dear:

I´m barely gonna dedicate words to you, as a "human" with that linguistic depravity (threatening to make an allusion to an encounter in case we were neighbors) doesnt deserve words as words seem to be his last resort in a discussion. I´m not here to educate someone. I´m here to have fun and for trying to make have fun people.

Sorry for barely wait for you.
I just saw how you continued but saw you losing traction. As you can see you could continue in parallel, so that neither of us would have lost the position with the car that came behind, BUT you tried (clearly) to hit (kick, push, stamp) me to the green. ¿Dont you think its a reason to keep going instead of waiting for you? (Its rhetoric, dont answer, just think about).

People:

I´m simply sorry that this dispute has been generated, but as I have receibe that topic messages and a personal message telling me that driving style for today has been inapropiate, I feel in necessity to answer.

First at all I would like to show you two videos. Today, red Schwiizer, blue byAGM: www.youtube.com/watch?v=0VLnxeoc-ME

I touch (touch) him. Answered personally to him few lines above.
But... nobody wants to realize how he tries to stamp me and ruin my career in the second 16 of the video?
Why video keeps recording him? because his driving style on his next lap shows how he begins to warm and become frustrated, pushes ESC and comes to forum to write an disrespectful and mad or raging post.

Second at all, I want to show the unique 2 moments of the race on friday (as he says kinda I ruined his friday race...):
On first (00:04), I think I´m not "guilty", anyway, I wait him.
On second (00:22), I just dont touch him. He loses control, so I keep going.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=ca0hlh4S8qM

Maybe I´m Irritating when I´m behind somebody trying to overtake. I just love fighting, and I just consider a bad race when I havent had fight on it.

Witch catches Happened XVII century. We´re in XXI.
Please ban me when I am as disrespectful as the man who created this post.

Regards.


PD: Mr Caleborn. Did I made something to you? (not rhetoric, I´m really questioning myself...)

We did see the retaliation and don't approve of it, we never do. (talking as member, I am no admin)
But you are wrong in saying that he had a parallel acceleration possibilty. You hit and upset his car and balance so he can never come back on speed . You should have waited with attack after next corner, this way just isn't fair. Unbalance another car and then pass him is wrong.

On the next lap you run into Piglet, easy to avoid, not necesairy at all but can happen. But you waited a bit for Schwizzer, not for Piglet, that's not OK. Waiting for someone you lap is normal even when it would have given your position to Schwizzer.

And yes, we have seen Schwizzer's eratic moves after that scene and again, don't approve of it at all.

On the Friday race: When you are so close to anyone the lag and stuff can make it a hit for one and a non hit for someone else, very hard to determine.

Caspar:

Thanks for take part on this, particularly for watching replay too.
As said, sorry for him for barely wait. What I mean paralelly, is that he could continue overtaking me from the left (instead of try to kick me) on that turn, but without losing position agains the car from behind us.
Wasnt the best way? ok, sorry, wasnt the best way. That´s what happened on my brain in 1 seccond.

About "easy to avoid" turn. Completely disagree. Please saw replay on my camera and listen to my engine.
As I explain, I wait for Piglet, but (please keep reading) when I read a "sorry" written by Piglet I consider he considers it his foult, as it has been a very strange turn from him, so I keep acelerating.

On friday race. Difficult to determinate... or easy: what Schwiizers replay shows? On mine I see no touch.

The thing in all of this by my point of view is: Is this for real?
somebody pointing me out through a TS personal message without watching any replay. (comments on cold are better Mr."somebody" you know it.)
Other one threatening me like a chav.
Other one agreeing with first one without watching any replay.

Me and my partners are having collisions from other people everyday.

Whats the difference? We dont speak deustche for being on TS to say a fast "hey I stopped braking", "carefull I I´m managing to lap you".

Whats the other difference? We dont want to lose too much time telling Mr X has push (as last 5 races) and hasnt wait (like last 5 races). Or Mr X hasnt brake the car on lap 1 and sent me from pos.6 to 31. Or Mr X is pushing Mr X car constantly in the oval race. Or restart race only happens when... who knows. Or X doesnt let me overtake instead of having +1 lap, but I let the car behind me easily.
Or X called me Idio (and after wrote a T) and nothing happened because he´s a "protected". Or... ?

Why we´re not like that? why we are not in forum after each race? because we dont know deustche and english its difficult to express ourselves clearly? No, that´s not the reason. I´ll tell you all why. Because This is a game, not a job, not real live (but sometimes it seems to be for some).

Sometimes we write to try to make better future races solving problems.

This post is not accusation, its kinda mind opener.

See you in game.

Nur ganz kurz da ich nur am Handy bin.
Genau muss ich das Englische heute Abend lesen.

Ja. Es ist so dass ich byAGM abräumen wollte. Sieht man so auch im Video. Das kann ich nicht abstreiten.

Irgendwann ist das Fass einfach übervoll und dann kann auch ich überreagieren. Es ist ja nicht das erste Mal das wir Differenzen haben.

Edit: Alles durchgelesen und das meiste verstanden. Wir haben beide unsere Fehler gemacht. Und ja, ich habe vielleicht überreagiert als ich im Forum schrieb.

Gruss

Hi Reto,

ich würde nach durchsicht des Replay sagen das war Rennbedingt der erste Rempler und somit OK. Was garnicht Ok ist, war das abräumen von Piglet. Hier wurde ganz klar nicht gewartet.

Ansonsten ist es aber auch meine Meinung das byagm generell nicht unbedingt rücksichtsvoll ist, aber thats Race.

Mich wundert einiges doch was soll man sagen, bin jedoch dafür das hier mal Wert darauf gelegt wird das er mal mit Lowguard in der nächsten ETCC fährt.

Gruss Miki

byagm wrote:
The thing in all of this by my point of view is: Is this for real?
somebody pointing me out through a TS personal message without watching any replay. (comments on cold are better Mr."somebody" you know it.)
Other one threatening me like a chav.
Other one agreeing with first one without watching any replay.

Me and my partners are having collisions from other people everyday.

Whats the difference? We dont speak deustche for being on TS to say a fast "hey I stopped braking", "carefull I I´m managing to lap you".

Whats the other difference? We dont want to lose too much time telling Mr X has push (as last 5 races) and hasnt wait (like last 5 races). Or Mr X hasnt brake the car on lap 1 and sent me from pos.6 to 31. Or Mr X is pushing Mr X car constantly in the oval race. Or restart race only happens when... who knows. Or X doesnt let me overtake instead of having +1 lap, but I let the car behind me easily.
Or X called me Idio (and after wrote a T) and nothing happened because he´s a "protected". Or... ?

Why we´re not like that? why we are not in forum after each race? because we dont know deustche and english its difficult to express ourselves clearly? No, that´s not the reason. I´ll tell you all why. Because This is a game, not a job, not real live (but sometimes it seems to be for some).

Sometimes we write to try to make better future races solving problems.

This post is not accusation, its kinda mind opener.

See you in game.ok, i'm out of the discussion. Too many things dragged into it that have nothing to do with what happened last night, gets all fuzzy that way.

Miki wrote:


...Ansonsten ist es aber auch meine Meinung das byagm generell nicht unbedingt rücksichtsvoll ist, aber thats Race.

Mich wundert einiges doch was soll man sagen, bin jedoch dafür das hier mal Wert darauf gelegt wird das er mal mit Lowguard in der nächsten ETCC fährt.

Gruss Miki

Hi Miki

I'm trying to understand what you say on that part of your post, but I dont understand what translator says.
I just dont understand neither what Lowguard has to do in all this.
I would apreciate a help for understand both paragraphs, thanks.

Regards.

Hi all
Hi AGM

First of all: and very important:

it´s the wrong way, to talk bad in chat or in TS before having seen replay.
Everybody reads in chat and hears in TS and then all know, how bad a driver acts. This will stay in the mind of all and the "bad" driver gets a very bad image. Hard to get the bad image off or changed, when you are not in TS.

So the video shows a different view to that, what was communicated in chat and TS:

In chicane it´s was a very slightly touch from AGM, not hard enough to get Schwitzer car out of control. A touch, that happens often in hard fight, but not dangerous.
Schwitzer´s car was not out of control, but it was clearly to see that he turned to right side to smash AGM out of the track. Emotions.............but it did not work.
Piglet: it looks, as if Piglet lost control of his car, he was too much on curbs in that turn, very dangerous as we all know. Piglet said "Sorry", so I think, that he really lost control, so "Sorry" for that.
And Piglet saw blue flagg, he should have given room. The "Sorry" from Piglet allowed AGM to go on.
Then Schwitzer did his second attempt to smash AGM of track, emotions...............did not work.

Ok, what did we learn? REPLAY FIRST.
It´s better for us all, we will have more fun and respect and less "Bad Talking".

Lowguard: AGM, you are very fast. With "lowguard on" everybody will be impressed for your skill in driving. (see below...........Red words.....

Greets hayman

hayman3030 wrote:
Hi all
Hi AGM

First of all: and very important:

it´s the wrong way, to talk bad in chat or in TS before having seen replay.
Everybody reads in chat and hears in TS and then all know, how bad a driver acts. This will stay in the mind of all and the "bad" driver gets a very bad image. Hard to get the bad image off or changed, when you are not in TS.

So the video shows a different view to that, what was communicated in chat and TS:

In chicane it´s was a very slightly touch from AGM, not hard enough to get Schwitzer car out of control. A touch, that happens often in hard fight, but not dangerous.
Schwitzer´s car was not out of control, but it was clearly to see that he turned to right side to smash AGM out of the track. Emotions.............but it did not work.
Piglet: it looks, as if Piglet lost control of his car, he was too much on curbs in that turn, very dangerous as we all know. Piglet said "Sorry", so I think, that he really lost control, so "Sorry" for that.
And Piglet saw blue flagg, he should have given room. The "Sorry" from Piglet allowed AGM to go on.
Then Schwitzer did his second attempt to smash AGM of track, emotions...............did not work.

Ok, what did we learn? REPLAY FIRST.
It´s better for us all, we will have more fun and respect and less "Bad Talking".

Lowguard: AGM, you are very fast. With "lowguard on" everybody will be impressed for your skill in driving. (see below...........Red words.....

Greets hayman

Oh man... I could wrote a best seller about "The difference of being or not in TS communication". People doesnt understand how different is. How a word in the right moment can change everything.

Thank you hayman, but I´m not here to decide if that touch is enough for losing control or it isnt, because i think at this point it doesnt matter. The problem of this post I think isnt that. (anyway, thanks for watching replay and try to say your opinion like a normal human, arguing your opinion, whatever, with respect).

I read that red words months ago... but I thought: "hey, I dont want to impress you" XD

CasparGTL schrieb:
byagm wrote:
The thing in all of this by my point of view is: Is this for real?
somebody pointing me out through a TS personal message without watching any replay. (comments on cold are better Mr."somebody" you know it.)
Other one threatening me like a chav.
Other one agreeing with first one without watching any replay.

Me and my partners are having collisions from other people everyday.

Whats the difference? We dont speak deustche for being on TS to say a fast "hey I stopped braking", "carefull I I´m managing to lap you".

Whats the other difference? We dont want to lose too much time telling Mr X has push (as last 5 races) and hasnt wait (like last 5 races). Or Mr X hasnt brake the car on lap 1 and sent me from pos.6 to 31. Or Mr X is pushing Mr X car constantly in the oval race. Or restart race only happens when... who knows. Or X doesnt let me overtake instead of having +1 lap, but I let the car behind me easily.
Or X called me Idio (and after wrote a T) and nothing happened because he´s a "protected". Or... ?

Why we´re not like that? why we are not in forum after each race? because we dont know deustche and english its difficult to express ourselves clearly? No, that´s not the reason. I´ll tell you all why. Because This is a game, not a job, not real live (but sometimes it seems to be for some).

Sometimes we write to try to make better future races solving problems.

This post is not accusation, its kinda mind opener.

See you in game.ok, i'm out of the discussion. Too many things dragged into it that have nothing to do with what happened last night, gets all fuzzy that way.

Hi Caspar

that´s not ok, to get out because of things dragged in which have nothing to do with race.
According to my experiences ( I´m not in TS) I know that you get a image very fast when every action is commented in TS, everyone hears it, but youself can´t give comment. And nobody does look the replay later, to see the bad action of f.ex. hayman. So everybody believes what he hear´s in TS about bad driver. And keeps it in mind, forever...............
The other aspect is: In TS you communicate, say things like "let me pass" "go right" "carefully, I´m on right side in your mirror deadspot", so this makes driving more save for you, you dont have to be afraid.
But with a driver in front or beside or behind you, which does not use TS you cant communicate, that´s the point where you get unsure and afraid, I noticed this often, even with "aliens" here. Now race instinct is needed, not TS. And maybe now a hairy situation will come, and this will be commented in TS, and you can be sure, that in this case the opponent is the one, who did the mistake. Did you ever say in TS: "oops, i just smashed someone into gras?" No, it´s better no one see´s and hears.....................
But in real race it´s like that: you can communicate with your opponent.

What about a race in which TS is not allowed.
That would be a great chance to learn something new: real racing..............

edit: I´m looking forward to this special race

Greets hayman/Wolfgang

Hallo,

@Reto: schön das du dir das Replay angesehen hast ...

Zeigt sich mal wieder, das es nicht gut ist im Furor nach einem Rennen hier gegen einen Kollegen zu "schreiben".

Zum TS hat Wolfgang/Hayman ja schon einiges geschrieben - ich finde seinen Vorschlag mehr als bedenkenswert. V.a. auch weil wir hier historische Fahrzeuge fahren auf historischen Strecken, wo die einzige Kommunikationsmöglichkeit das Schild der Crew bei Start und Ziel war !!!!!!!!!!!!!! Also mehr Realismus ist ja schließlich ne Sim! TS sollte mal bei dem einen oder anderen Rennen abgeschaltet werden - nicht grundsätzlich. Könnte ne wertvolle Erfahrung werden.

@byagm: Your driving sometimes was very hard and needs little more respect to other drivers if you overtake/lap someone (p.E. in the last lap and last curve DF/Virginia without getting advantage for you).

Together - friendly - unforced - and waiting

Lowguard has nothing to do with this thread, but try it out and all will see that your next best lap is also correct like the others (I hope).

rdjango

the lack of respect with less fast drivers is very evident, in my case I have several races suffering from other drivers in their overtaking maneuvers and ignoring the rules repeatedly

rdjango wrote:
Hallo,

@Reto: schön das du dir das Replay angesehen hast ...

Zeigt sich mal wieder, das es nicht gut ist im Furor nach einem Rennen hier gegen einen Kollegen zu "schreiben".

Zum TS hat Wolfgang/Hayman ja schon einiges geschrieben - ich finde seinen Vorschlag mehr als bedenkenswert. V.a. auch weil wir hier historische Fahrzeuge fahren auf historischen Strecken, wo die einzige Kommunikationsmöglichkeit das Schild der Crew bei Start und Ziel war !!!!!!!!!!!!!! Also mehr Realismus ist ja schließlich ne Sim! TS sollte mal bei dem einen oder anderen Rennen abgeschaltet werden - nicht grundsätzlich. Könnte ne wertvolle Erfahrung werden.

@byagm: Your driving sometimes was very hard and needs little more respect to other drivers if you overtake/lap someone (p.E. in the last lap and last curve DF/Virginia without getting advantage for you).

Together - friendly - unforced - and waiting

Lowguard has nothing to do with this thread, but try it out and all will see that your next best lap is also correct like the others (I hope).

rdjango

Hi Rdjango!

Lowguard: In fact I´m using it since many weeks (to avoid to point me still more)

Virginia: dont remember, I just see in times that I arrived 0:00:200 of difference with the front car... its a very subjetive point of view, I think, tell that nothing else could happened... Man, a good last turn and I could win one possition. To have an overlaped pilot avoiding that fight against DerOlf I dont think its a "without advantage for you" thing...

Ok, agreed. Dont like hard fighting. I hope not having so to me (I just want equality, seems to be difficult).
Just one more thing: hard doesnt mean disrespectul driving. Or am I wrong?

Thanks for your comment and for justify your opinion humanly.