Incident: Between Fireblade & Gee-Deeman last night Wednesday 26th Dec on Server #1.

I am really upset about the behaviour of Fireblade after a racing incident at Brno. He was in front of me in an Escort and I was driving a 911 when I gently tapped his rear end on the first corner of the first lap. His car slid of the track and hit the barriers and I immediately apologised and waited for him to get back on the track. I was moving really slowly waiting for him to overtake me and flashed him past when I saw him in my rear view mirror.

Instead of driving past he swerved into the back end of my car and broke it. I called him a wrecker and asked him why he had done this as I had apologised and waited for him, his reply by saying that I was a wrecker and I had kicked SmokingJoe …I knew I had not so this was not just about a gentle tap but a revenge attack for something I had supposedly done to someone else. He retired his car a few corners later.

I repeatedly asked him why he wrecked my car when all I had done was to gently tap his car and that I had done the right thing. I also reminded him that he has taken me off in the past without waiting or saying sorry, but he said he did not speak much English and after that he would only speak German which I do not understand. I have found this to be a common excuse for a very small minority of non English drivers who do wrong and do not want to apologise for their behaviour. I find this very ignorant.

I told him I would be looking at the replay and that he should do the same. I do not think he even bothered to look. I rejoined the server and again asked why he had wrecked my car but I did not get any answer from him in English at least. Pluginz went off line to review the replay and said it was just a racing incident.

To all on the game at the time I would apologise for going on and on about this, but when you do the right thing to make up for a simple mistake and you get rammed of the track with no suitable explanation the matter needs to be resolved.

If you want to judge for yourself see this video from the Bude VCR Archive:
www1.altbierbude.de_2007_12_27_00_43_00_Brno V1.01.Vcr 26/12/2007 23:42:00

The ‘kicking’ SmokingJoe incident which Fireblade accused me of happened at Dijon in the previous race. Smoknin Joe was behind me when I had to brake to avoid taking Blacky-Online off. I gently tapped Blacky who carried on no problem but SmokingJoe ran into the back of me and sent me spinning. He also span and got hit by someone and he then retired from the race.

This incident can be seen on the first lap on video from the Bude VCR Archive:
www1.altbierbude.de_2007_12_27_00_05_44_Dijon Prenois Grand Prix.Vcr 26/12/2007 23:05:00


Anyone who knows me can vouch that I am not a wrecker and that I try to be a gentleman driver. I take issues like this quite seriously as drivers who get away with things like this tend to get worse rather than better if left unchecked.

I would be grateful for anyone else’s opinion about this incident.

Cheers for bending your ears.

Gee-Deeman aka (an extremely annoyed ) Old Git

I watched those both replays several times and I didnt find anything else but ordinary online accident. When there is space only for one car, you can't stuff 3 of 4 cars through it.

Although you are all pretty good drivers, there is one thing wrong almost all of you(including me). You want to win the race in 1st corner. You dont admit it but I just know it's true. It's good feeling to see you are better then others, it's satisfying feel. BUT, there is problem. When you get too addicted to winning, you get too serious, (Gee, Plugzee, you know what I mean), all the fun ends. We all drive with these cars on absolutely limit and bit faster. And when races are only 5 lappers, that is what usually happens. I've been tapped at least million times, I remember days when I've had about 20 races and none of those races lasted further than 1-2 laps.

That was then so annoying, I was ready to became full time wrecker. But no. I didnt. I took few days off. I drove offline, tweaking cars and listening good music. After that I went back online and way we go. Much better results. I could finish races without completely wrecked car and I even won few races. And what do you knwo, fun was back in driving.

We dont have here in Altbierbude much of those wreckers. And here is almost always very good atmosphere. Dont let it go down, plz!! This place means so much for me, I love driving. I'm poor so I dont have chance to go motorsport IRL so I drive here. Keep this thing together.

And what's for those accidents. In that Dijon accident, Gee, you didnt have any change to avoid it. But in other hands, that accident in BRNO, well, I think you caused it, by mistake. AND if Fireblood(whatever hes name is, dont remember anymore) isnt very stupid he should know that you are one of the gentlemenst(what a word) driver around.


If I sum up this, I just say there was too many cars in same place at the same time. Like Pluginz said. It's just ordinary online accident.


I know, I know this is told about 234789758923,3 times but:



RESPECT OTHER DRIVERS!!!!



Cheers, Kubik

I watched the first replay: clearly visible that Fireblade took revenge on an everyday racing accident. That's bad. Especially bad, because he had to recognize that you slowed down to let him to take his position back.

I think the worst thing that online gamers does is to judge people by one single incident. One gentle tap and you are a "wrecker" or a "noob".

Everyone has bad days, or just bad moments - we should tolerate the small everyday crashes. And race togehter a couple of laps/races before stating a judgement.

Kubik: 1st corner crashes. I think at altbier there are a way less 1st corner accidents than any other servers. I think even in real life F1 there are 1st corner pile-ups, so it's OK. Anyway, I don't drive for win, I drive for the adrenalin rush of close-battles. I won two races yesterday but they were not big fun - I enjoyed much more the Brands Hatch race: I finished fifth, but 3 of the 5 laps I chased a Corvette, trying to find his weak point: but Maggi defended his lines so cleverly that I hadn't has a chance to pass him. I race for battles like this, this is what an AI race can't offer.

As I said almost everyone. My native language isnt english so there can be some misunderstandies.

I know that here in altbierbude we have only fraction of accident compared for example Gamers-Crib, which is just wreck-server(IMO!!)

My point is to just reminder everyone to be little more carefull, I'm not telling that you have to transform to christian motorist. We are here much more mature. No annoying n00bs here because you have to do bit work to get in here(by downloading tons of magnificient and wonderful and fantastic tracks and cars). And for that just odd wrecker wont come here.

And as I said this is IMO mainly because these short races. If you got pushed out, even by mistake, you are pretty much out of even that close adrenalin-rush competition. So if you have had bit bad races and then got tapped out you'll become bit annoyed(I know, I'm just like that but I try to keep myself cool), and then sometimes it just gets you mad and you cant control yourself.

In other hands, what am I telling you about these things... I'm just me.


Cheers, Kubik

Kubik wrote:
compared for example Gamers-Crib, which is just wreck-server(IMO!!)


Agreed, racing on Gamers-Crib is not a relaxing experience: accidents all the time, impatient people, 4 letter words in the chat... The 'bude is a different Universe!

like the father so the son...
too much sorry,s in the cabinet and thats the result.
But nobody makes which against it.

Yes I know these incidents happen all the time and I was the one who caused it and also the one who did the right thing by saying sorry and waiting.

What upsets and concerns me is the way that Fireblade handled the situation. If he is going to wreck my car over a simple racing incident what does he do to others ...what will he do in the future?

This sort of behaviour is not acceptable and he has to understand this.

Kubik, yes we all try hard to win races but if like me you stop and wait for someone when you take them off then you are more careful as you know that you are not only spoiling someone else's race but also your own.

RedRiot appears to understand the situation completely ...cheers for that.

Gee-Deeman

hmph... Ok. Does that mean that I dont understand situation?

I just wanted to comment... Misunderstanded again... I should write next in finnish...

Kubik me old m8y,

You were not misunderstood at all by me, but you only talked about what happened in the first place and not the revenge action that Fireblade took afterwards and that is the situation I am worried about.

Please, anyone else reading these threads understand that when things like this happen it takes all the fun out of racing and inane actions like Fireblades should not be tolerated for the sake of friendly racing. This is the Bude ...the Friendly server!

Gee-Deeman

Yes Gee-Deeman,

the Bude should stand for racing with friends -
not for any revenge action!

Have fun, see you

Hey Gee,

sorry to read what happened. Please remember one of the mails I send you a few time ago about some experiences I made during the short time I take part here and my first excursions to the Pilsbierbude. This are the moments that makes me wonder if it is the right thing to have some fun if such things happen. Like Redidiot wrote... I spend my racing times on some other servers before I found the Bude and they are sometimes like shark pools. The Bude is really another world and I hope this is on the fringes.

Having a crash caused by someones carelessness, inexperience (including my stupid mistakes ) or caused by a knotty situation is one thing and that might happen. It´s boring but no problem for me. But the situation you described is really not acceptable. It seems that this guy only wants to win at all costs and is sometimes very impatient. That´s what I think after experiences in the few events and the TS where I had the pleasure to share the tracks with him. What I didn´t understand is that he didn´t have to stand for that because he´s one of the fastest drivers here. But I have a teenage son in nearly the same age ... might be the youth
But youth may not mean no respect or no fairness.

Hope this will come to a satisfying end.

Regards

Jochen

Old topic, but anyway. I know, gvozd is not a fast driver and for other racers mostly represent just a moving chicane, but his behavior all friday afternoon, went over the limits.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4WrndnIYSRE

I don`t know, why only couple guys press "Yes" button, when you suggest to ban such a champion.

I assume you wrote him a PM and told him what he has done wrong and told him how to drive on Altbierbude?

CHeers

B8man

P.S.Welcome on the Green Bude.

Tnx for Your welcome and answer. No, I didn´t, because I assume, everybody should read "About" section before enter servers.

das gleiche hat er im Rennen auch gemacht,dem braucht man keine PM schreiben,son Unsinn

What idiocy. But what should I do? I assume everybody read the Homepage especially the first articles and still many drives join with these "GDB-missmatches"?!

Nevertheless I'll have a word with gvozd.

B8man

Nach mehrmaligem ansehen des Beweisvideos muß ich sagen:
Niemals nach Genuss von hochprozentigem ans Steuer eines solch Brachialen Renngeräts!!!


Don´t drink & drive!!

Das Video von der Fahrt ist Hammerhart,da wird sogar Jimmy Knoxville incl.Crew blass vor Neid !!!

We often make the joke about looking for mushrooms... perhaps this guy really is looking for them,

In all honesty, I have never seen such terrible driving in all my years on the Bude.

Gee

Unglaublich! Sieht aus als würde Stevie Wonder von nem betrunkenen und wohl auch blindem Guide geleitet.."...rechts..ne,doch links...ne, da war ein böses Geräusch doch wieder die andere Seite.."



Interessant ist aber, dass er sehr Zielsicher wieder die Strecke findet! Selbst nachdem er schon in die Boxeneinfahrt fährt, macht er ne souveräne Kehrtwende zurück auf den Asphalt...
Ich tippe mal auf Tastatur oder eher noch Gamepad!

Und, um mal was positives zu sagen, dem überholenden Ponycar scheint er ja sogar platz zu machen! (könnteauch zufall sein..."...ich hör was von links hinten...lenk mal rechts...ne gradaus..."

hi,

den hatte ich heut nachmittag auch - tippe auch auf Tastatur und absolut unerfahren. Wenn man aufgepasst hat konnte man ihm immer gut ausweichen und wenn ers geschafft hat ist er zur Seite gefahren ... grins.

Aber das schaffen ja manche Schnellfahrer einfach nicht wenn auf "ihrer" Linie jemand langsamer fährt, dann sitzen sie einem ja auf gerader Strecke (!) im Heck auch wenn links und rechts mehrere Kilometer Platz sind ... .. ach ja Bremsen funktioniern nur vor Kurven nicht auf gerader Strecke ... duck und wech ...

Gruß

rdjango

Thomas Beck schrieb:
...eines solch Brachialen Renngeräts!!!


Don´t drink & drive!!





hehe

So etwas hab ich noch nie auf nem Server gesehen, was so Leute sich dabei denken(wenn sie denn denken )
Sah auch nen bisschen danach aus als ob er nicht wüsste wo welche Taste belegt ist.
Zum Glück ist sowas eher die Seltenheit.

cu on track

Sriple Tix schrieb:
Old topic, but anyway. I know, gvozd is not a fast driver and for other racers mostly represent just a moving chicane, but his behavior all friday afternoon, went over the limits.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4WrndnIYSRE

I don`t know, why only couple guys press "Yes" button, when you suggest to ban such a champion.

I also dont like his way of drivin, but the Bierbuden are the friendly gameservers, and on a friendly gameserver is everybody welcome

You can not kick anybody because he is a bad driver, you are only allowed to kick somebody,if he is a wrecker, and wants to crash into others

Cheers
Maxi

Ich finde ein minimum an fahrkönnen sollte schon vorhanden sein um Online mitzufahren.
Wenn der mehr auf dem rasen unterwegs ist und immer die strecke kreuzt, andere damit behindert, naja ich weis nicht ob das der sinn der sache ist.