Hi,

there is hard talk coming now but I just can't keep this inside any more. Please read the whole story or don't read at all.

Why is it always so hard for you Admins to give any information concerning "cancelled" events (compared to "fixed" Thursday/Sunday schedule) or even answer simple questions concerning them on forum?

If you can do those posters for every event it can't be more demanding to make a notice that there ain't no Thursday night event this week or for some time if that's the case.

That would be good service, wouldn't it?

If someone dares to ask for that, they get some stupid answers like "No, the event is not cancelled, it was not even announced" if they get any answer at all.

And if someone dares to critisise event posters that sometimes unfortunately leave space for speculation about which track layout or car is actually driven they get some childish answers like "Maybe I should retire" as well.

Giving such answers or not giving any doesn't help you with donations at all - members are glad to give them if they feel they get good service here but if they feel themselves neglected or even offended they stop giving them.

If you got too much work with our Admin tasks, why don't you try sharing the load by establishing new Vice-Admin posts - I think there are many capable persons around here who could and liked to help you, at least on holiday season.

I have now said some negative things but all the other things here I find well organised. It feels kind of stupid to whine about such little things but it is all the small things that make the whole package.

I feel sorry for not being capable to say all this in german but I hope you don't misinterprete me in any way.

My intention is not to stand against the good voluntarily people behind all this but to try to make this great site even better.

I'm always willing to help this community within my capability.

Now it is said, thank you for "listening".

Cheers,
Timo

Hey Timo,
our directive is: "If you see a poster, you will get an event. If you do not see a poster, there is no event on Altbierbude. Maybe, cause there is another event on the other Budes or we did not planed one.

I think, it is not necessary to make an extra poster for the people to see, that there is no poster for an event.
Remember: "If you see a poster, prepare for an event, if you do not, have fun to race without an event"

For me, the poster layout always was as perfect, as we think it fits. That means, we display the contemplated cars or the whole classes and the track. If we planed special track layouts, we tried to give an advice.

But always remember, we are no league and you get nothing for event winnings. So we do not understand, why some people need to know every single detail of an event to prepare as hard as they could.
We always try to let you know, which car, which track, session times and laps to go. That should really be enough, in my opinion.

I think, it is always nice to have a little suprise effect for events. When I know every detail, where is the adventure?

To the admin subject:
We have four active admins on the Altbierbude and in my opinion, it is not necessary to get more admins. derDumeklemmer and B8man are the most active admins here and to my knowledge they are more than 4 or 5 times a week busy to organise the Albierbude and try to keep it running. And it is really not simple, but they do their best.
I see the position of Micha and me as a little cobold, who acts in the background and is on the spot, when someone needs help, we need some event planning, someon needs entertainment in the forum or someone has no time to manage server settings.

I hope to give you a little clarity. If not, give me an advice.

Best regards,
Ron

Hi Ron,

thanks for your long and detailed answer.

I still can't get any other impression but: "We do everything right and perfect, there's nothing to make better". Or is there?

I can't find anything amusing from the fact that the event poster comes sometimes a week ahead, sometimes one day ahead. If you know for sure several days before that there's not going to be an event this week so why don't you tell it to your members? It doesn't have to be any poster, just a message on forum will do. But making a poster for that situation wouldn't be a bad idea. Just one reusable poster saying there's no Thursday or Sunday night event this week would be perfect.

It is that variation when the event poster is exposed that creates the problem. If you like to drive the events like many of us do, it it frustrating to wait till even Wednesday to see if there's an event or not. If you knew well ahead there's none, you could make other plans for that time more freely.

And what it comes to posters they doesn't always say if it is 1967 or 1988 version or a version made by X or Y or whatever - sometimes you are able to figure that out from lap amount, sometimes that's not possible. It was wrong from my side to say there may be confusion about the layout, better to say version.

And sometimes the cars are named, sometimes not. The worst example was that Sachsenring event some time ago when just two cars were shown and then a mysterious text "TC-65". Nobody, I really believe nobody, knew for sure what that mix of pictures and text meant. Only those two cars or all cars from TC-65 class. All except one at same server with me thought it meant only those two cars but later we came to know it was not what you really meant.

It is most welcome to leave some facts about the event till the time it begins, like tyre and fuel multipliers. You are then able to consider different pit stop strategies and that's part of the fun. But to be unsure for the track version or cars to be used is not fun at all - surprise events are totally different stuff!

I have now given you some real life examples so don't you say the posters have always given exact and unambiguous information any more.

And by the way - still no answer for the question: "When will there be next Thursday night event?".

Cheers,
Timo

I will talk to B8man to figure out, what we can change to give a better understanding, when the next event is planed and try to avoid missunderstandings about the chosen cars and tracks

Thanks for you for your advices.

Cheers,
Ron

I've already mentioned that I will keep an eye on the poster's information and especially on the track info. So no reason to start this discussion again.

...and feel free to participate in organisation. I'm looking forward to your creations.

Cheers

B8man

Hi B8man and Ron,

it is quite rare for any poster of yours to show something that's not unambiguous. Over 95% of them are perfect in every detail and nobody's perfect they say. So they are not any big issue any more.

But the exceptions to the fixed Thursday/Sunday event schedule is! No event last Thursday. No event tomorrow? What about next week? I already asked that on forum couple of days ago but got no answer. I even repeated that question on this thread twice and explained why it would be significant to know that but still no answer. I'm not going to ask that any more, you either give answer or not and I draw my own conclusions.

I think you will never see any artistic creation of mine here. That's not my area. But I have helped several times with missing event result data and one of my ways trying to help here was some exploration to make a dynamic Member Map using Google Maps and member database. I exchanged some ideas with Raru and more closely with Uwe (DerDumeklemmer) whom I most times have contacted.

But I'm always willing to help if there's something I could do for you, just name it!

I have now said all I wanted and this subject is now closed by my side - RIP.

Cheers,
Timo