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                          NoGrip site ban ...how stupid! 16 Years, 9 Months ago  
                          Myself and my wife have been banned from the NoGrip site for ever and I cannot even get on their site to appeal to explain.

                          How far up themselves can they go?

                          Both my wife and I have an account with seperate e-mail addresses but share the same computer but they say you can't have multiple accounts ...right! So I have one and my wife has one. I must admit I did have another one for myself but I haven't used it for a while.

                          Can anyone tell these these short sighted admins at NoGrip to have some common sense.

                          Maybe we should just all stop using them as they are getting so paranoid over downloads that are done by the GTL community for free.

                          What do you think about this???

                          Gee-Deeman
                           
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                          Aw: NoGrip site ban ...how stupid! 16 Years, 9 Months ago  
                          Some explaining here should help :
                          http://www.nogripracing.com/help/contact.php
                           
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                          Re:NoGrip site ban ...how stupid! 16 Years, 9 Months ago  
                          i thought it might casue problems when i read the announcemet at nogrip. but i actually didn t think for that! bad for you, hope you get it done and they let you back in.

                          but i think i kind of understand the owners of big pages like nogrip... lots of crap is going on lately. many many users. and lots of them do not act like, former pretty good sim-racing comunity, once did. seems like the forums turn into what forums on the net are in general: just a big mock-around.

                          and that sucks specialy for those who still try to create something. seems like their (our?) work get more and more sabotaged and it becomes harder to work on projects, cause atleast i don t get anything done for real casue i m just pissed about whats happening in the threads... the usuall "one-black-sheep-screws-up-the-whole-project-and- 100s-have-to-suffer"
                          syndrom.

                          in my case (and i know i m not the only one, some other well known modders on this page here have seriouse problems, too) am real sick of posting on forums. not that i don t make progress with my work (aka. the skyline), i m just sick of sharing it.

                          so... i can understand what forces nogrip into steps like that. sad but true. sorry to hear that seriouse users have disadvantages casue of that. blame the spammers, floaters, mockers, bitch-abouters, permission-ignorers and file abusers.
                           
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                          Re:NoGrip site ban ...how stupid! 16 Years, 9 Months ago  
                          Cheers CY33,

                          I know it's hard for you guys who do the all that work to give us fun and your so right that the few create the issues and bad feeling.

                          But NoGrip has created this problems themselves with having too many downloads that tempt people to be greedy and then they introduce a download limit.

                          Any system is open to abuse but this new idea is very ill conceived. Imagine 3 people in a family drive GTL and download from NoGrip on the same computer but with different e-mail addresses ...they would all be banned for life for having legitimate accounts ...that's terrible and they have no way to appeal ...rediculous.

                          This could seriously affect the running of my Bude Sloppy Sprint races. I get most of my Addons for it from them and I also tell drivers to download from them.

                          Maybe they have shot themselves in the foot with this stratedgy.

                          Maybe they will realise that this is just plain silly, I hope so.

                          Gee-Deeman
                           
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                          Re:NoGrip site ban ...how stupid! 16 Years, 9 Months ago  
                          no questions, gee-deeman: its stupid what happens. i am the last one to stand up for nogrip, had enough problems there and more or less quited posting or support at all.

                          but i think its difficult.

                          what ever: lets hope this comes to a good end for all.
                           
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                          Aw: Re:NoGrip site ban ...how stupid! 16 Years, 9 Months ago  
                          Thanx again Cy33,

                          I have heard of other modders like yourself withdrawing downloads from them and it's easy to see why.

                          I have had so much support tonight form guys on TS also and offers of help on a PM, it's so great to know that I am not the only one to feel bad about this. A big thanks to all you m8ies.

                          Hey you Bude guys, your the best and this STILL IS THE BEST SITE ...EVER! Long Live the Bude.

                          Cheers all.

                          Gee-Deeman
                           
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                          Re:Aw: NoGrip site ban ...how stupid! 16 Years, 9 Months ago  
                          Thank you Ghengis, I just noticed your reply.

                          I shall try that link.

                          Cheers,

                          Gee-Deeman
                           
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                          Re:NoGrip site ban ...how stupid! 16 Years, 9 Months ago  
                          hi gee, i'm in agree with u, but if u want i can send a pm to admin and tell him that u want at least to talk to explain the problem.
                           
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                          Re:NoGrip site ban ...how stupid! 16 Years, 9 Months ago  
                          Hi again Scruffy m8,

                          Thank you for your support it's great to know good people.

                          Driver Ghengis sent me a link to contact NoGrip admin, so I used it and explained how it has affected me and the possibility of a family who have different NoGrip accounts, but use the same computer and that they will all end up banned forever.

                          I just hope they see sense.

                          Cheers again m8.

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                          Aw: NoGrip site ban ...how stupid! 16 Years, 9 Months ago  
                          Hi Gordon,


                          Both my wife and I have an account with seperate e-mail addresses but share the same computer but they say you can't have multiple accounts ...right! So I have one and my wife has one. I must admit I did have another one for myself but I haven't used it for a while.
                          Can anyone tell these these short sighted admins at NoGrip to have some common sense.

                          Maybe we should just all stop using them as they are getting so paranoid over downloads that are done by the GTL community for free.

                          What do you think about this???


                          as we know and respect each other, we're sharing the same opinion most of the time, but sorry to say this time I need to veto your posting.

                          Nogrip's new Boss 'Jabba' and the whole vital&kind admin team supporting him did a fantastic job in my humble opinion after Dan dropped the ownership a couple of month ago!

                          I assume you didn't consider all points of view this time with your posting but just only feeling disappointed to be currently blocked from the service.

                          NG is a non-Commercial community like we're at the "Buden" too, all of these kind guys are working hard for this community in there leisure time absolutely free of charge.

                          Guess you know all non-Commercial communities do have the same problem....the costs of the servers and the traffic.

                          If you take a look the monthly costs and the donations, you will find out that the financial burden is very tough from month to month.
                          Most of the time the bill isn't paid until the latest days of the month at NG.
                          The biggest part of the bill is traffic (download volume) so they need to balance the traffic against the income.
                          If income is falling they need to reduce the traffic, if income is raising they are able to offer more traffic for free. It's a simple calculation.

                          We had a similar situation a couple of month ago. At this time our FTPs where occupied such hard, that the traffic of our "guests" dropped the download bandwidth of our donating members.

                          This doesn't seemed to be a fair situation for the members helping to pay the bill for our servers.

                          Stefan's fantastic autodownload-script solved the situation for all of us (ones more).

                          Due to the separation of Peer2Peer-Traffic for non-donating and DircetFTP-Traffic for donating members we're in the happy position to have a fair and reasonable solution.

                          If somebody is not willing (or not able) to spend some money and supporting the monthly bill for the servers he still can use our services by p2p-download,
                          but he will need to accept that the download speed is depending on other members sharing the files with him.

                          If somebody is helping to pay the bill for the servers by a donation he will get a direct connection our FTP-servers and get the max. bandwidth physically possible.

                          This seems only fair to me since these guys "own" the servers somehow.

                          I guess you remember that not everyone was happy about this solution especially since there where some minor technical issues in the beginning of this new service.

                          So it's the same situation with Nogrip...

                          They also have some members donating to pay the bills for their servers and these members get unlimited traffic.

                          They even offer a package of xx MB (xx, because this amount need to be adjusted from time to time based on the current financial situation) per day for all of us non-donating members as well.

                          Pls. clarify: Even the costs for this traffic need to be payed by the donating members!

                          So it's seems to be generous to me that they give this free of charge service to all of us although the costs needs to be covered by the donating community.

                          But some guys are violating this mechanism of taking care about the financial problems by using more than one account and getting the daily download limit x-times that way.

                          In case NG is not able to stop the multiply accounts and non-donating members will still cause costs x-times higher of the calculations, how can they pay theirs bills?

                          So NG needs to react and find a way to stop this behavior.

                          Just to say it in very clear words: In my humble opinion that step is absolutely necessary for NG to survive!

                          Like every technical system the "double account detections" will have some teething troubles in the beginning.

                          So accounts may be blocked by mistake although these accounts don't violate the rules.

                          If you feel to be blockes by mistake pls. simply drop a PM to the staff and explain them your troubles.

                          I guess the team will take your comments serious and discuss about.

                          In case they will come to the conclusion that they blocked you by mistake they will find a solution to re-enable it again.

                          Pls. clarify: They can only improve the mechanism based on detailed feedback of the users.

                          So Pls. don't pre-justice a whole community and it's admin team just only because of some technical issues.

                          Based on my personal experiences with the whole team at NG I'm feeling very comfortable at/with NG and have a lot of confidence to the kind guys over there.

                          If some of our local German communities would pay only 10% of that attention to the sorrows of their members, they would become a very better place in my humble opion, but that's a different story

                          Did you report your problems to the staff already?

                          If not, I'll be happy to provide you a contact window per mail.

                          cheers,
                          Uwe

                          BTW: I didn't know that you wife is playing GTL too..
                           
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                          Re:Aw: NoGrip site ban ...how stupid! 16 Years, 9 Months ago  
                          Hi Uwe (DerDumeklemmer),

                          Thank you for your answer and you are so right in what you say and thank you for your offer of help.

                          But what I was criticising is the way they have done this. I could not even find a way to explain my problem or fears for others as I could no longer access the site without the message of a permanent ban being displayed as all features of the site were inacessible.

                          Fortunately I was given a contact for link to NoGrip by Ghengis99 and I sent them a PM explaining my problem.

                          I have however some GOOD NEWS, Jab from NoGrip has sent me an e-mail and he has reinstated my account. So all is well again and my next forum thread will be to thank them for this.

                          A huge thanks to everyone who has replied to this thread and also those who sent me PM's ...your a great bunch of lads. I salute you

                          Cheers guys,

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