Hello Bude!

As certainly some have already seen Holger_B of commendable way has opened a thread to collect useful beginner's tips for the novices on the Bude and to document them also.
During the reading and (please now do not misunderstand) to violent experiences which I have made (actually, still a greenhorn) in some races with brand-new drivers, the idea has originated whether it is not possible here on the Bude in loose, informal distances to make a kind of "driving school for greenhorns".
Unfortunately, such a thing offers only GTR2 in the game and not GTL. To go against the KI and to drive off-line races makes some sense for the beginning but here on the Bude is another class.

What we could do would be, e.g.

Setting of the steering wheel,
how to hold the car on the track,
right braking,
curve driving,
driving through chicanes,
sure overtaking (without kicking the other),
creating set-ups,
pit stops
and of course having fun.

TS would be ideal for it, indeed, but because not everyone uses it or can take part, for some reasons, at first it is not neccessary.
We would do appointment arrangements and appointment suggestions then here in the forum. To not bother the Admins with more work, we would have to limit ourselves at first to the everyday company and a server (maybe 5) which is not frequented so strongly. Problem in the whole thing is only that we are limited there, because of the short training and qualification times. So we should begin for the moment with a subject trying to start a test balloon.

I can still say nothing the precise and do not know to what extent this goes, however, I asked GeeDee whether it is possible within the sessions of the Sloppy Sausage Club would be possible to hold the one or other training unit beside the drift with him. Here we would be independent at least because of the training times in the sessions. However, here I still wait for answer.

B8man and Zephyr have already agreed to help. I help of course, as far as I am able to do this, also with pleasure. If somebody is ready of the experts among us of course to take part and wants to amuse itself with a bunch of "wild hogs", always with pleasure.

So how does it look out? Does need and, above all, interest exist in general? Does this generally make sense?

The first subject suggestion of me:
The basics or "How to keep the car on the track?" After the training, we could do on practicing a short race where it is not important to be the fastest (well but no camping trip) but bringing the car in a piece to finish and to get shut after k.o. principle, " Who flies is out " or in such a way. As a track I find, e.g., "Hilltop" or " Magny Cours of club " quite good. But at first take once this what the server offers.

Sorry for the English. Thanks to Abacho I managed to translate the whole bunch and I hope you understand the facts.

Regard

Jochen

Hi Guys,

I am willing to help in anyway I can, but there are new drivers who buy the game and come on line without first doing any driving at all off line and I would strongly suggest to drivers who do this PLEASE GET PRACTICE OFF LINE FIRST I hope that was loud enough, he he.

There is a Document on the Downloads Gizmos Docs and is called GTL-Beginners Guide (Eng) (originally written in German) which was very well written by Slowmotion. It is a great help for old & new drivers and should be read by all. :http://www.altbierbude.de/component/ option,com_remository/Itemid,26/func,select/id,61/ lang,en/



Cheers and don't crunch those gears!

Gee-Deeman

Hello again!
Here my suggestion for the first date. Wednesdays seems to be o.k. for the most.

Date: Wednesday, 01-16-2008
Time: between 8:30 and 8:00 pm
Duration: 1 hour, when required and according to mood longer
Place: Server 5
Tracks: what arises, if necessary switching to other event
Vehicles: Mini, Abarth, Alfa or Cortina
What?:
1. Getting familiar with the track that´s offered
2. Getting familiar with the car (if necessary)
3. Setup not neccessary at this time
First driving in a loose group and pay attention on each other and staying together as good as possible. In case of crashing waiting for each other.
Better drivers should be stay behind.
Tips exchange.
Maybe someone observes the massacre in the TV and is able to chat to everybody giving some hints
Depending on time, a normal qualifying and afterwards a small race about 5 rounds. Time
is not important but driving without crash etc.. According to the track maybe a time limit for a lap (max. 2-3 minutes?).
Finally a normal race under daily business.

Because the times for training and qualifying are rather short on the server, we can do either after every training / qualifying a short race, or change directly to the next event.
Teamspeak? ... if available, yes but for participation not compelling necessary. This is for the moment a suggestion. Who is interested and has other suggestions please leave them here.

Cheers

Jochen

Hi Jochen (BeetleJo),

I have read your suggestion but I think that server 5 is not a good idea as it is designated to tracks that are for testing mainly, so I will put a server on especially for this night if the Bude Admin agree. I can put it on as long as you like, whatever vehicles you want and also your own choice of tracks.

I do not even have to be present on the server so it is no big issue to leave it open for learning.

The only real problem is TS as I have very little knowledge of this even though I am hooked up to the Bude with it. Will it work on my server?

Please let me know your opinions on this as soon as possible.

Cheers.

Gordon aka Gee-Deeman

Hi Gee,

I think there is no problem if we use the buden ts on a special room. And a big THANKX for your help with the server

Hi all,

Very good sugestion, 5 stars to the idea, let´s see how the new drivers will accept it, i think that learning how to behave on track is important to all.
I will attend the lessons, to upgrade my driving skills. Thanks for the idea.
Keep up the good work.

Cheers.

Hi Simon and all,

Thanx Zephyr for checking the TS problem out.

So I am now awaiting further instruction about the instruction for learners and I hope that this instructive instruction will be enough instruction and not confuse even the instructors like I am doing, he he.




Gee-Deeman

Geedee schrieb:
Hi Jochen (BeetleJo),

I have read your suggestion but I think that server 5 is not a good idea as it is designated to tracks that are for testing mainly, so I will put a server on especially for this night if the Bude Admin agree. I can put it on as long as you like, whatever vehicles you want and also your own choice of tracks.

I do not even have to be present on the server so it is no big issue to leave it open for learning.

The only real problem is TS as I have very little knowledge of this even though I am hooked up to the Bude with it. Will it work on my server?

Please let me know your opinions on this as soon as possible.

Cheers.

Gordon aka Gee-Deeman

Hi Gordon!

Thank you very much for your offer. My appreciation. If this would be possible, we would be more independent and more flexible than on server 5. I suggested it for daily business on nr. 5 because I didn´t really know I in which circumference to you the server is available or what you have to manage for this. I did not want to promise something without your comment or your agreement. If you could manage something that we can use it and it would be really no great issue, let´s do it. Hope the Admins will agree.

By the way...t really hope you will take part with us.

TS would be not necessary and would be a plus. As zephyr wrote it is no great issue to use the TS on the bude because you are member/moderator and I think it will be no great problem to do the most of our conversation in English than.

I´m glad to here this good news and hope we can do it together. Please let me know about the results.

Cheers and thanks again.

Jochen

Hi Jochen m8,

Just give me a name to call the server (Bude Learner Pool?) and also cars and tracks wanted. And I'll be there to help also.

Cheers.

Gordon

Hi,

cool! "Rookie Club" or something else. Mybe you guys in Britain have some special words for this.
For the first time I think cars from TC-65 like Alfa, Cortina, Mini or Abarth may be suitable. For the tracks maybe be Hilltop or what would you suggest?

Great, thanks

Cheers

Jochen

What about "Buden Driving lessons"?

I think at first we should try the mini on hmmm... a short track I think it´s the best car for learning and there is no special setup knowledge needed.
And easy to drive ayway.

Greets Simon

Hi Joe,

'The Bude Rookie Club' sounds ok to me, how about you?

Hilltop with alf's etc and maybe Toban and Magny Cours GP could be good.

Cheers ...oh 7.30 CET time? 6.30 my time OK?

Gordon

first off

as Gordon already said
"I am willing to help in anyway I can, but there are new drivers who buy the game and come on line without first doing any driving at all off line and I would strongly suggest to drivers who do this PLEASE GET PRACTICE OFF LINE FIRST I hope that was loud enough, he he."


sounds like a good idea, but why not use default tracks (and cars, not stand alone) like Nurburg Mull as it has everything and everyone should know that track as it's the first one and it also has a lot of places that racing accidents happen at.....like


1.at the start, running into people that get a poor start, moving sideways due to wheel spin.

2.at the first corner, as the first corner is downhill it's a b1tch to stop a car so you can get lots of rear ending, but it does have a very good braking marker.

3.going wide off on T1 and re-joining the track and crashing into someone.

4.exiting a corner and the rear end going out without correcting it and taking people off

5.getting a good exit and running into the back of someone

6.getting along side someone coming into a high-ish speed left/right and knowing when to give way

7.hard braking into a hairpin, rear enders,understanding that different cars don't slow down at the same speed and if you going to out braking someone then you CAN'T do it if your right behind them as you'll run into the back of them !

8.it's also a short track so you can encounter lapping traffic

once you can get round Nurburg Mull then they can move to another track with more space.

but i'd be happy to help using TS, would it be a one on one TS thing. please note i could only help out someone that has good-ish english as they might not understand me but i'd also be happy to help someone who has been racing for a bit and feels like they have fallen into a rut.

also i couldn't help anyone with a race ping of over 200ms

Geedee schrieb:
Hi Joe,

'The Bude Rookie Club' sounds ok to me, how about you?

Hilltop with alf's etc and maybe Toban and Magny Cours GP could be good.

Cheers ...oh 7.30 CET time? 6.30 my time OK?

Gordon

Hi Gordon,

for the date I suggest about 8:30 to 9:00 pm CET. (the most people mentioned this time) As far as I know is that 7:30 for you? Is this ok for you? If so, I enter that date in the event section soon after talking to B8man who is the man in this area.

Maybe that I will join later because I saw that I may have another date before.

Alfa, Cortina, Mini, Abarth (whatever the guys may prefer of this 4 candidates) - Hilltop sounds good. Another good track may by Goodwood.

Cheers


Jochen

Hi,

I'm looking forward to join the Rookie Club, as my driving in crowds is still awful, as are my breaking points and cornering ability... hmmm maybe the complete driving...

I'll try to get TS working until tomorrow - made an attempt yesterday evening and it worked 50%... I could hear others, but they couldn't hear me.
Further experiments will follow this evening. hehe

Hilltop would be a good choice, as there is lots of room when leaving the track and having some more challenging corners compared to Goodwood.

greetings,
Georg

Hi Joe,

8.30pm CET (Central European Time) is ok for me to start the server 'The Bude Rookie Club'.

Drivers from the UK should note that we are 1 hour behind CET so our start time is 7.30pm.

Although I can put the server on I am not sure what time I will join it myself as I will have family around about this time.

See you there.

Gordon aka Gee-Deeman

Hi dirtyvfr,

Glad to have you aboard as you always come up with sound ideas and help and I know you will be an asset in whipping these students into to shape.

Do you think we need to punish the bad boys with 500 lines of I must not be a wrecker and watch out for those smoking behind the bike shed, he he ...get you in the playground, ha ha.


Seriously I think it should make a difference so see you there Gogs.

Gordon aka Gee-Deeman

Hi Georg,

Don't put yourself down about your driving YOU are doing really fine and just need a bit more on line experience. You are aware of other drivers, you are fast and have a fair understanding of racing rules and behaviour which are positive qualities.

Bring your experience along with you as I am sure you can help some rookies as well.

Cheers,

Gordon aka Gee-Deeman

PS. About your TS problem have you got both plugs plugged in? I usually forget one of them, he he, my excuse is a senior moment.

Hi Gordon,

thanks for the warm words... but I know that my driving is far away from beeing save, especially in crowded situations. There are too many small bumps resulting in unneccesary spins of other drivers, or missed break points due to inhibited sight behind another car. Hopefully the Rookie Club will cure some of the worst teething troubles...

Ah... TS: I had both plugs pulled in, but'll test, if the internal wiring is correct this evening (it' s a self-assembled* machine) - or if I just forgot to activate/rev-up the microphone volume...

Greetings,
Georg

*) assembling would be even better... hehe

Moin zusammen, (Hi together)

at first my special thanks to Jochen and Gordon to create such an idea from my first impression to have some assistance for "Rookies"!

My initial idea was to have a special thread where we can discuss different topics regarding "How to enter and drive on the "Buden"-Server".

But a driving school is the greatest I can imagine!

So if I understand correctly, Gorden will start his server especially for "Driving school", and we will be supported by some experienced drivers to learn how to setup the cars and drive them in a way as mentioned at the "Buden" rules! Which will bring more fun and competition during online-events also for "Rookies"!

Great!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

If I understand it right, the first lesson will be on Wednesday, 16.01.2008, 20:30 CET (19:30 GMT) on a Server named "The Bude Rookie Club"!?!?

Any password, which will be find in this thread for example? (to be protected from WRECKERS and other people which are not member of the BUDE??)

I suggest everybody who enters that server should go directly to the CHAT and introduce themself a bit to know who they are!!
Then we will discuss what we like to learn today (Teacher is Jochen?)

I will try to be there!!

Hope to see you there, and to be more competitive in the future!


Best Regards
Holger

Hi Holger!

Hope you will continue collecting the theoretical knowledge about GTL and the Bude and pack it into a "Buden-Bible" and yes, you understand it correct. We start, at first for testing, something like a driving school and Gordon is willing to support us with using the server normally is used for Sloppy Sausage, because he has rights to control this server and can prepare it for our needs. He also want to give us instructions. We maybe more flexible than on the daily business servers like nr. 5.

And please....I´m not the teacher. Some hints to share, ok. I hope that drivers with real good experience (like GeeDee, B8man and as I saw dirtyfvr) joined us to instruct us, how far as it is possible. For this I had only less experience. If you want me to teach you driving in NFS Most Wanted or Carbon..ok. But GTL is another league.

Please let my first talk to B8man and then I will put the dates and terms together in the "Event Section".

If I knew about the traffic to this thread in the English Section, I think I had to put it only in here.

But I´m really pleased about the acknowledgement and the support, especially from Gordon. Thanks again, man!

Okay. I contact B8man to check, if we could publish this as an normal event. Maybe, if we are successfull, we get an own section in this forum.

Cheers all

Reagrds

Jochen

Hi Joe and all,

Do you want the server password protected against wreckers etc? Although I will start the server I may not be present for a while due to family commitments but when I am there I can boot any problem makers no problem.

Holger-B has suggested that a password could maybe found on the TS but that may not suit all as not everyone will have it. What I suggest is that about an hour before the server starts the password is given out on the Forum. Who will make the password up?

Holger, please do not stop gathering information to make a learners guide, learning on a server may not be to everybody's taste and anyway the guide would be there to help them anytime of day and something to reflect on as a reference.

Cheers

Gordon aka Gee-Deeman

On th 16.01. at 20.30 i´m still at work... My finishing time is at 22.00, so i´ll have a look. If somebody is still learning i will join then My shift changes every week, better luck next time.

Hi Zephyr,

sorry to read that. But if you can make it, take a look. I thought about an hour, but time goes fast and maybe we are fighting longer. I am not really sure if I could be there just in time, too.

@Gee

Placing a password in the forum (the thread I will open for the event) after starting the server sounds good.

Regards

Jochen

Hi Joe,

I have been getting the server readily primed for this evening and have put the following cars and tracks on it:
CARS Abarth, Alfa, Jaguar MkII, Cortina, Elite, Mini Cooper.

Tracks Hilltop, Toban, Magny Cours GP, Essington, Nuerberg Mullenbach, Goodwood. (in that order).

If you want to add or delete cars or tracks just let me know.

Don't forget to tell me the password as I will need this to put on the server and also to broadcast the password about an hour before the start.

See you later,

Cheers,

Gordon