Hi all,

I have been noticing that presently there are less drivers at night in ABB GTL servers. I cant say exactly the moment where this started to happen, but I'm under the impression that it's from the last ABB class changes. Some months ago, there were always lots of drivers every night both in server 1 (ABB GTC-TC-76+)and server 2 (ABB TC-65+). But since the moment that lots of cars were removed from GTC-TC-76+ class, and more servers had ETCC cars/tracks, lots of drivers seem to be absent...

I have nothing against ETCC cars, but in my opinion these cars are less interesting to drive for drivers that do not participate in ETCC league, and perhaps some of them lost interest in GTL from the moment where GTC-TC-76+ class was modified.

Another factor that perhaps makes some drivers lost interest is that when new cars are released, they are released together with new tracks, which makes very difficult for drivers to get to know them. Getting used to a new car in a track we know well is ok, but having to learn a new track with an unknown car for a short race is not motivating at all...

Well, just some food for thought. If anybody has different ideas please come forward, we need the Bude as it once was....

Alucard schrieb:
Well, just some food for thought. If anybody has different ideas please come forward, we need the Bude as it once was....
Have you thought as simple reason as the Spring.

Nights are filled with light and many sim-racers have also outdoor hobbies to spend time with instead of staying all nights within "four walls".

When the Autumn comes with dark nights we move in great numbers back inside.

Timo

tjl wrote:

Have you thought as simple reason as the Spring.

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Timo

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Alucard schrieb:
Hi all,

I have been noticing that presently there are less drivers at night in ABB GTL servers. I cant say exactly the moment where this started to happen, but I'm under the impression that it's from the last ABB class changes. Some months ago, there were always lots of drivers every night both in server 1 (ABB GTC-TC-76+)and server 2 (ABB TC-65+). But since the moment that lots of cars were removed from GTC-TC-76+ class, and more servers had ETCC cars/tracks, lots of drivers seem to be absent...

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i think the same

tjl wrote:

Have you thought as simple reason as the Spring.

Nights are filled with light and many sim-racers have also outdoor hobbies to spend time with instead of staying all nights within "four walls".

When the Autumn comes with dark nights we move in great numbers back inside.

Timo


The spring with sun and warmer nights only came this last week. The weather has been cold and rainy since the beginning of the year and it's during this period I have been noticing less drivers. If warmer nights that invite to go out are the key factor, we are going to have even less drivers from now on...

Seems that I'm not the only one to notice that, Manfred seems to agree and he is a regular presence for years, so he should be able to tell the difference.

With the weather factor not being the key factor here, I think we should look for the reasons elsewhere: the cars and tracks present on the servers.

My intention is not to criticize anyone, I just want to contribute to the success of this great community. Serious simracers don't just stop driving for a period: they go to other servers/sims, and once they change it's difficult to reverse that process.

I've noticed this can happen at strange times of the year and it fluctuates up and down without real known reasons.

Perhaps it's a new game that has been launched that makes people move somewhere else.

I think Alucard has a valid point though when he mentions about the change of classes. I know that I am not so happy when certain cars become unavailable to drive and although the ETCC is a great series which a lot of drivers love on here, it does not draw in the great majority who should be catered for.

I hope more people will be drawn into this discussion so we can get a more rounded view.

If the class is the point, which cars should return to the GTC-TC-76+?

Escort, 300SEL, 74' Corvette....?

Cheers

B8'

B8, Alu and all others,

we had this theme a few weeks ago in the TeamSpeak.
Yes of course it could be as Alucard recognized the situation....

B8 how about a new ABB-car class called "MostWanted"
or so?
Uwe could make a voting on the website which cars are the most popular ones on the bude and then you build up a new car class with the (+25-32) most popular cars which running in ONE Class.

my suggestion....so what?


regards !Dirk

I think it's a good idea to make a voting on the favorite cars, as long as most of the usual drivers give their opinion.

The times I recall most drivers in the servers was when the GTC-TC-76+ class had all the cars that were removed (Escort, Porsche 914, Corvette 74, Mercedes and both CSL BMW's, I believe). Server 1 was always the server with most drivers visible in lobby.

My favorite class/car is the FIA TC-65/Alfa GTA Junior (this is just my personal preference), but most of the times I used to join sever 1 with GTC-TC-76+ because most of the best drivers were there, and those were the ones I wanted to race with.

I would just remind another idea: in my opinion, new cars should always be released in known tracks, so that drivers don't find too hard to get used to them. Recently, 3 great cars were released and since then I never saw much racing with them: the new Ferrari and the two new Porsches, and I think it's because it takes much time to learn a new track and at the same time get used to a new car, and many drivers just don't have the time to invest. They want to log-in and have a quick race, but this isn't very motivating when one can't make a few laps without constant spins or crashes.

My personal view is that all cars that are available on the Bude should actually be available to drive online on the Bude.

We all have our own tastes in what we want to drive and therefore it shouldn't be restricted by those who feel it should be.

As I said before, the ETCC is a great series but it's not for everyone and it does look like it's taking over the Bude a bit too much, surely this wasn't the philosophy of the Bude.

Geedee wrote:
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As I said before, the ETCC is a great series but it's not for everyone and it does look like it's taking over the Bude a bit too much, surely this wasn't the philosophy of the Bude.



I agree with you on this, Gordon. We have enough servers to accommodate all tastes and provide the sometimes welcomed escape from routine. I understand that ETCC drivers need/want the server open all week before the race to practice with longer sessions, but one server is enough imho. Then is just a question of having interesting and motivating classes in the other servers.

Unfortunately the step back to the old classes is impossible as we would have too much cars in it. GTL doesn't allow more than 32 cars in a class so we have to divide the classes from time to time.

A vote for a new class is a good point but we have less drivers who take part in it and wont get an expressively result.

I like Dirk's idea of the "MostWanted" class. What do you think about and which cars do you want to see in it?

Cheers

B8'

Hi

sorry what means "MostWanted" for GTL cars or tracks?

Cheers
Lucas

we´re discussing about a CAR-class which could be named "Mostwanted" for example.

regards !Dirk

B8man says:
"Unfortunately the step back to the old classes is impossible as we would have too much cars in it. GTL doesn't allow more than 32 cars in a class so we have to divide the classes from time to time."

The most cars in a class is the GTC-TC-76 where there are only 22 types of car which is 10 short of 32..... Am I missing something here? Please explain.

Buden GTC-TC-76+ without separation would have 38 cars now without the one or the other WIPs.

If you have an idea how to mix up the classes feel free to present your ideas.

Cheers

B8'

Thank you for the reply Flo but now I'm even more confused.

Can you write a list of the 38 types of car available on the GTC-TC-76 so that we may make a fully informed choice from it as I still only find 22 types like the Autoupdater does.

Cheers,

Gordon

Thats the choice:
Porsche 911 RSR
Porsche 906
Ford Capri RS
DeTomaso Pantera
Chevy Corvette 76
BMW CSL
BMW 320
Opel Commodore 3000
BMW 2002tii S
Porsche 934
Ford Capri 2600 RS
BMW CSL 3.2
Chevy Corvette 74
DeTomaso Pantera Gr.4
Porsche 914-6
Ford Escort RS
Nissan Skyline GTR
Opel GT 1900
Opel Kadett C Coupe
1969 Boss302 Mustang
Opel Commodore 2800
BMW 2002tii
BMW 2800CS
Mercedes 300 SEL AMG
Mercedes 300 SEL 6,8
Mercury Cougar
Mazda RX-3 Gr4
VW Scirocco 1 Gr.2
VW Scirocco SCCA GT3
VW Scirocco Trans-AM
VW Golf Group 2
Alfa Romeo GTAm
BMW CSL 3.0 1977
BMW CSL 3.0 1976
VW Scirocco 1
VW Golf Group 1


Where does the Autoupdater list the cars?

B8'

Ich zähle da 36 statt 38 , sind aber trotzdem über 32.

Meine Favouriten für eine MostWantedClass sind folgende 30 Fahrzeuge:

Porsche 911 RSR
Porsche 906
Porsche 914-6
Ford Capri RS
Ford Capri 2600 RS
Ford Escort RS
Ford GT40
1969 Boss302 Mustang
DeTomaso Pantera
Chevy Corvette 74
Chevy Corvette 76
BMW CSL 3.2
BMW CSL
BMW 2800CS
BMW CSL 3.0 1977
BMW CSL 3.0 1976
BMW 320
BMW 2002tii
BMW 2002tii S
Nissan Skyline GTR
Opel GT 1900
Opel Kadett C Coupe
Opel Commodore 2800
Opel Commodore 3000
Mercedes 300 SEL AMG
Mercedes 300 SEL 6,8
Mercury Cougar
Mazda RX-3 Gr4
VW Scirocco 1 Gr.2
VW Golf Group 2

Roger

Erel es stand hier zwar nirgends aber sicher waren gemeint zusammen 28 Lieblingsfahrzeuge aus der ganzen GTL Familie, das sieht bei dir eher wie ein who is who aus der ETCC und den 76ern aus.

Thank you for the list Flo.

The list I used were those that you can download with the Autoupdater which is all of the cars in the GTC-TC-76 files.

The cars that I would drop from this list would be any that can be driven in the ETCC. but to cut them down to 32 cars then I would drop these 4.

BMW CSL 3.0 1976
DeTomaso Pantera Gr.4
Ford Capri 2600
VW Scirocco 1

My reasons to choose these models is that they are the slower versions of cars already in that class and as mentioned above, these can be found on the ETCC server(s) anyway.

If you need less than 32 then look at the Golf G1 and the '74 Corvette and maybe one of the BMW CSL's (Default ones) and VW Scirocco SCCA GT3

Gee

Geedee schrieb:
The cars that I would drop from this list would be any that can be driven in the ETCC.
Thats the way I did. But now the ABB GTC-TC-76 seems to be uninteresting for racing. I like the idea to have a crossover class (Mix of TC-65, GTC-65, ETCC and GTC-TC-76 cars)like we have in early days on Server #1.


Cheers

B8'

B8man said:
I like the idea to have a crossover class (Mix of TC-65, GTC-65, ETCC and GTC-TC-76 cars)like we have in early days on Server #1.

I have to agree with you there as some good drivers with slower cars were beating the guys with the faster ones... great fun!!!!

I know you guys have a hard job trying to get a balance so I would just like to say a big thank you for listening.

Gee